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Explanation of hating Lily Evans!

Journal Entry: Tue Nov 16, 2010, 9:33 AM




19. Why do you hate Lily Evans (all Potters) so much and declare her as b****?

Well I was asked that question often and actually it explains itself if you have read the books, but ok.
I try to explain this in detail ( I built up my mind on the basic of these few moments that were described in the book. And Yes I think that these are more or less a mirror of Lilys or the other characters general behaviour.)::::


I.) Lily Evans as the 'best friend' of Severus Snape doesn't care really much.
Quote from HP7, chap 33 (The Prince's Tale): >> "How are things at your house?" Lily asked. A little crease appeared between his eyes. "Fine," he said. "They're not arguing anymore?" "Oh yes, they're arguing," said Snape. He picked up a fistful of leaves and began tearing them apart, apparently unaware of what he was doing. "But it won't be that long and I'll be gone." "Doesn't your dad like magic?" "He doesn't like anything, much," said Snape.<<
Here we can see that Lily asks a few questions about his private life, but right after that she wants to know more about the dementors. She seems not highly interested in what is going on at home and how his family is. Snape shows clear tendences that he's happy to leave his home and his arguing partens. It should be for someone like Lily, who seemed to like her own parents very much, more disturbing to be happy to get away from them. But well dementors are more intersting... And yes they were young, but there is no proof that she ever cared more about his private life when they got older. For more explanations red this point and point IV.

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >>"That was nothing," said Snape. "It was a laugh, that's all ... " "It was Dark Magic, and if you think that's funny... " "What about the stuff Potter and his mates get up to?" demanded Snape. His color rose again as he said it, unable, it seemed, to hold in his resentment. "What's Potter got to do with anything?" said Lily.<< and later: >> "Why are you so obsessed with them anyway? Why do you care what they're doing at night?" <<
Is she really asking Severus what's Potter got to do with anything and why he is so obsessed with them?? Wasn't she aware of the many pranks that where played by the Marauders? Didn't she knew about the occasions that Potter and his friends made his life harder? She wants to be his so called friend, but does she really know what he has to live trough with these Gryffindors? Of course whe have no written proof that James and Sirius were mean to him, but they started to call him Snivellus and tried to trip him even before their first year started. They hated each other from first sight and from 'later' talks we can conclude that they buyllied Severus for fun more than one time. So why didn't she seem to know about it when she was his 'best friend'?

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "And you're being really ungrateful. I heard what happened the other night. You went sneaking down that tunnel by the Whomping Willow, and James Potter saved you from whatever's down there ... "
She had heard of the fact that her 'best friend' was in mortal danger and she didn't seem to be troubled one bit. She didn't even ask him about the incident! She didn't ask him what has he done, what's down there that is so dangerous, she just pointed out that James Potter, the great heroic Gryffindor, has saved his life and he should be bloody thankful for that. Wasn't she wondering what this whole thing is about, why didn't she wanted to know what was going on and how could it be, that Sirius seemed not to be punished for his try to kill a student? Because if he would have been punished by Dumbledore or if they even loosed an amount of points, then everyone even Lily would have asked about that. If it would be clear, that Black was be the boy who brought a pupil in this mortal danger, than I expect Lily to not be so calm and to demand thankfulness from Severus!

Quote from HP5, chap 28 (Snape's Worst Memory): >> James whirled about: a second flash of light later, Snape was hanging upside-down in the air, his robes falling over his head to reveal skinny, pallid legs and a pair of greying underpants. Many people in the small crowd cheered; Sirius, James and Wormtail roared with laughter. Lily, whose furious expression had twitched for an instant as though she was going to smile, said, 'Let him down!' <<
Now her 'best friend' is badly humilated in front of a whole croud which is laughing and she is not only nearly smiling, she continues just to say 'Let him down!' instead of acting. If it would be the same situation with Harry, Ron and Draco then I could swear Ron would do more than just demand Draco to stop. He would make him stop hexing Harry! But in this case she repeats herself only by saying 'Leave him alone' or 'Let him down!' It needs 5 attacks from James and Sirius together against Snape who was alone and only had the chance for one strike back and only then she pulls out her wand. I would have helped my friend much earlier and more eagerly than she did!
Another point that she didn't cared much about what was happening to him, was when he has insulted her and she has insulted him back and then she leaves. She leaves him in the hands of a furious James Potter who would be cruel enough to humilate Snape to the last bit and would pull off his underpants. Of course she was angry at this moment with Severus and she was hurt, but it didn't interested her what would happen to him.

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >>"I was. I would have done. I never meant to call you Mudblood, it just ... " "Slipped out?" There was no pity in Lily's voice. "It's too late. I've made excuses for you for years. None of my friends can understand why I even talk to you. You and your precious little Death Eater friends ... you see, you don't even deny it! You don't even deny that's what you're all aiming to be! You can't wait to join You-Know-Who, can you?" He opened his mouth, but closed it without speaking. "I can't pretend anymore. You've chosen your way, I've chosen mine."<<
She made excuses for her 'best friend'?  She can't pretend anymore? Have I missed something when it comes down to a friendship?
I don't know why do you have to 'explain' or to 'excuse' your friends in front of others but when I have to pretend to be good friends with someone, I'm not calling myself his/her 'best friend'. That's not right, it's deceitful and more an attidude for a Slytherin, but not for such a nice and caring girl who is intelligent, lovely and helps everyone who needs her help (Sorry but I have read enough comments where she is described as this holy samatarian, that I can find nowhere in the books). Another point is that it was the first time he called her Mudblood, so the first really bad mistakes (I don't doubt that he had made many little before, but who hasn't?) and she was not willing to give him another chance. She didn't discussed that out and tried to find a solution for this whole problem. She made it very easy for herself and broke up the friendship.

Quote from HP5, chap 29 (Careers Advice): >> 'And stopped hexing people just for the fun of it,' said Lupin. 'Even Snape?' said Harry. 'Well,' said Lupin slowly, 'Snape was a special case. I mean, he never lost an opportunity to curse James so you couldn't really expect James to take that lying down, could you?' 'And my mum was OK with that?' 'She didn't know too much about it, to tell you the truth,' said Sirius. 'I mean, James didn't take Snape on dates with her and jinx him in front of her, did he?'<<
Yes, James stopped hexing others, besides Snape and yes he on the other side did attack James, too. But there is a difference between defending himself and hexing him back. So Potter continued his treatment with the Slytherin and Lily was 'OK' with that. Sirius says it himself: She didn't know TOO MUCH about it, but that implies that she was aware of it and ignored it. It's more than a year ago that she was so badly insulted and so she could have calmed down a bit. But she's still not interested in what is happening to her former 'best friend'. It seems she never considered to ask James to stop this whole thing or to talk to both and end this treatment.

When we are still at frequently asked questions, I have one, too: Where do people find the proof that Lily forgave Severus for his mistake? Where do they read that she tried to clear things up and tried to become friends with him again or that she was thankful when he changed sides and thanks to his informations the life of her and her family could be protected for some time? There is no word about Snape in her letter to Sirius or anywhere else. No hint that they ever had contact after Hogwarts or that they talked to each other during the rest of their school time. If you can't quote me a passage where I can found a proof for that, please don't try to convince me with your feelings and your believe.
She was nice to him, yes, but only nicer than others.


II.)  JKR said in an interview that Lily had 'feelings' for Severus, but how does it come that it's described like that she had an eye on Potter even before she broke up the friendship with the Slytherin? Cause in one moment she pretens to be his 'best friend' and in the same breath she's defending Potter and his actions.
Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "What about the stuff Potter and his mates get up to?" demanded Snape. His color rose again as he said it, unable, it seemed, to hold in his resentment. "What's Potter got to do with anything?" said Lily.<<
Clearly defending the boy that bullies her 'best friend'. *turns on the irony* Yeah everybody would have to ask what Potter is doing and no one would know that he jinx people for the fun of it... It's completely normal for the 'best frienf' to not know what is going on in his life. *turns out the irony*

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "They sneak out at night. There's something weird about that Lupin. Where does he keep going?" "He's ill," said Lily. "They say he's ill ..." "Every month at the full moon?" said Snape. "I know your theory," said Lily, and she sounded cold. "Why are you so obsessed with them anyway? Why do you care what they're doing at night?" "I'm just trying to show you they're not as wonderful as everyone seems to think they are." The intensity of his gaze made her blush. "They don't use Dark Magic, though." She dropped her voice. <<
Hey Lily, I'm telling you that the Marauders are out of their beds at night, thats against the rules, but you don't care a bit! How does it come? Well I will come later to the point that she must be either completely ignorant or stupid to not think about Severus theory (look at point III.), but right after that she tries to change the subject again into the direction that she tries to defend the Marauders. Again and again, it's immaterial what he's saying but she always find a way to cut his argument off. (And again look at point III. for the explanation why I think that her reason with the Dark Magic is more than weak)

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "And you're being really ungrateful. I heard what happened the other night. You went sneaking down that tunnel by the Whomping Willow, and James Potter saved you from whatever's down there ... " <<
I may repeat myself, but well it's clear that she isn't troubled about her 'best friend' being in mortal danger, but that he is ungrateful is more important! Should Severus really be thankful to a boy who never did anything other than to make his life a hell? It's really impressing how much she cares about the fact that James havn't received a 'thank you'.

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "I know James Potter's an arrogant toerag," she said, cutting across Snape. "I don't need you to tell me that. But Mulciber's and Avery's idea of humor is just evil. Evil, Sev. I don't understand how you can be friends with them."<<
Or in other words: Yes I know that Potter is not so great, but hey Sev it's YOUR friends that are evil, not mine. Yours and yours alone, cause I'm the one to judge about these kind of things.

Quote from HP5, chap 28: >>'You think you're funny,' she said coldly. 'But you're just an arrogant, bullying toerag, Potter. Leave him alone.'<< , >> 'I wouldn't go out with you if it was a choice between you and the giant squid,' said Lily. <<, >>'Messing up your hair because you think it looks cool to look like you've just got off your broomstick, showing off with that stupid Snitch, walking down corridors and hexing anyone who annoys you just because you can--I'm surprised your broomstick can get off the ground with that fat head on it. You make me SICK.'<<
Yes very fine examples and 'proofs' that Lily seemed to hate James Potter, but excuse me but you can say much and in the end her actions showed how much she 'hated­' him. She married him and had a child with him.  You can't tell me that you want to be together with a man for your whole life that you learned only to love after he stopped hexing others. And as Sirius said: Quote from HP5, chap 29: >> 'How come she married him?' Harry asked miserably. 'She hated him!' 'Nah, she didn't,' said Sirius. << Of course Sirius could say this just to make it easier for Harry to believe it, but as I said, her actions showed pretty much how she really thought and felt about James. There had to be former interest or love that developed into that kind of love to marry someone.
And with that she was never really truthful to her 'best friend' and betrayed him before he even got the chance to insult her and sent her off. Probably his mistake was a relief for her, because from this moment on nobody would ask why she had broken up the friendship and date with the boy who bullied everybody. It wouldn't have been good for her image... One more thing that she has not to pretend anymore.


III.)  Everywhere in the books, when people talk about Lily, they say that she was such an intelligent witch. Did I miss something?
Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "They sneak out at night. There's something weird about that Lupin. Where does he keep going?" "He's ill," said Lily. "They say he's ill... " "Every month at the full moon?" said Snape. "I know your theory," said Lily, and she sounded cold.<< and later she says: >> "You went sneaking down that tunnel by the Whomping Willow, and James Potter saved you from whatever's down there ... " <<
Uhhhhm sorry but Lily was during this conversation perhaps in her 4th or 5th year and Remus Lupin was a schoolmate of her. They shared the same common room and had the major classes together so they saw each other everyday! James, Sirius and Peter were wondering about Remus 'illness' very soon and also that he was a werewolf. Why didn't Lily saw the signs? Was she too blind to wonder about his many times absent? She knew about Severus theory what Lupin was and she never thought about that twice? She didn't even tried to pay more attention when Remus is missing? Why didn't she asked herself what was that thing that was so dangerous and that Severus followed? Wasn't she worried about the something down the tunnel?
Where is that so smart witch? Hermione knew about Lupin being a werewolf after less than a year! And Lily didn't got it after a couple of years??

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "We are, Sev, but I don't like some of the people you're hanging round with! I'm sorry, but I detest Avery and Mulciber! Mulciber! What do you see in him, Sev, he's creepy! D'you know what he tried to do to Mary Macdonald the other day?" Lily had reached a pillar and leaned against it, looking up into the thin, sallow face. "That was nothing," said Snape. "It was a laugh, that's all... " "It was Dark Magic, and if you think that's funny ..." "What about the stuff Potter and his mates get up to?"<< then she answers according to the Marauders >>"They don't use Dark Magic, though." << and later: >>"I don't need you to tell me that. But Mulciber's and Avery's idea of humor is just evil. Evil, Sev. I don't understand how you can be friends with them."<<
The way Lily tries to explain why she don't like Mulciber shows me that she thinks he's evil because he used Dark Magic for playing tricks on others, while it is not evil to only bully someone for fun as Potter and his gang is doing with Snape. So it seems that playing pranks is nothing too bad for Miss Evans but that Dark Magic was used makes it evil, ergo this kind of magic must be evil.
But White and Black Magic aren't just good or bad. It's true that the nature of the Dark Arts is to cause harm but you can compare that to normale guns. Fireguns are dangerous and are mostly used for killing people and not so often only for defense. But the normal police is wearing and using this deadly weapon in order to protect the normal people. If you again compare the police with the Aurors then you can guess that they are also may be forced to use the Dark Arts against Death Eaters. But in this case they use a 'bad' spell for something 'good'. Harry does use two of the Unforgivable Curses during the seventh book when he tries everything to stop Voldemort and his men. And last but not least, Severus tried to save Remus Lupin's life with his Dark Mafic spell the Sectusempra! On the other side Ron knocked out a troll in his first year with a simple white spell, the Leviosa. He could have killed someone other by letting fall a giant rock on their heads and Harry stunned the Death Eaters that where following him on brooms during his escape from Little Whinging. He explains later to Remus that he didn't wanted to harm Stan Shunpike and that he could have died when he would have stunned him.
And we can see that not everyone who learns and uses Black Magic is evil, otherwise Viktor Krumm would be evil, too. He was from Durmstrang where they were teached the Dark Arts, but he was disgusted by cruel people such as Grindelwald or Voldemort. AndSo it isn't that magic that is good or bad but for what they are used. That was what Lily never seemed to understand. For her it was easier to see only black and white.

Quote from HP7, chap 17: >>He could hear her screaming from the upper floor, trapped, but as long as she was sensible, she, at least, had nothing to fear... He climbed the steps, listening with faint amusement to her attempts to barricade herself in... She had no wand upon her either... How stupid they were, and how trusting, thinking that their safety lay in friends, that weapons could be discarded even for moments...<<
That were Voldemorts thoughts on the evening he attacked the Potters and they both were wandless (It must be stupidity to hear the door burst open and not to pick up his wand from the sofa where James was lying on... The wand was lying near to him and he tries to hold Voldemort back with nothing!). If she had carried her wand with her, she could have protected herself and her son better. Perhaps she could have apparated or sent a curse against the Dark Lord. But what was she doing intstead? She tries to barricade the door! If that would be a real barrier for Voldemort!

Finally for me it seems that she either was only good at school and in her classes or that everybody just wanted to say something nice and good about that heroic woman who sacrifed herself for her son. These actions were anything other than smart and in the end her stupidity to not carry her wand with her is transformed to heroism. Or as Snape stated it out on the train when he was talking about Gryffindors: >>"If you'd rather be brawny than brainy ... "<<


IV.) "But Lily was right and Severus was wrong with his point of view! So stop seeing her as b**** and him as an angel!" I DO know that she had a point and that it wasn't right to hate Muggles and Muggleborns! But the way she wanted to make him understand was the easy way and so the wrong one.
I would never say that Snape was a saint and all a victim! Of course I do love him. But I also love him for his flaws and that he wasn't perfect, that he made mistakes and only developed into being a better person, in the opposite to Miss Evans, even if she died for her son!

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >>"Haven't been spying," said Snape, hot and uncomfortable and dirty-haired in the bright sunlight. "Wouldn't spy on you, anyway," he added spitefully, "you're a Muggle." << , >>There was a crack. A branch over Petunia's head had fallen. Lily screamed. The branch caught Petunia on the shoulder, and she staggered backward and burst into tears. "Tuney!" But Petunia was running away. Lily rounded on Snape. "Did you make that happen?" "No." He looked both defiant and scared."You did!" She was backing away from him. "You did! You hurt her!" << , >> "No ... listen, I didn't mean ... " " ... to call me Mudblood? But you call everyone of my birth Mudblood, Severus. Why should I be any different?" <<
Of course I know that when he is young he is thinking that Muggles and Muggleborns are less worthy, but where, I ask, does this idea come from? Certainly not from his mother who married a Muggle, had a child with him and didn't get divorced from him (not as far as we know). It doesn't seem logical that she would teach her son to hate Muggles. So I guess he must had one or more very bad experiences, for example that his father was cruel or did hit his wife and/or son.
Of course this is only a theory, but if Lily really tried to be his conscience she has gone totally the wrong way!

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "We are, Sev, but I don't like some of the people you're hanging round with! I'm sorry, but I detest Avery and Mulciber! Mulciber! What do you see in him, Sev, he's creepy! D'you know what he tried to do to Mary Macdonald the other day?" Lily had reached a pillar and leaned against it, looking up into the thin, sallow face. "That was nothing," said Snape. "It was a laugh, that's all ... " "It was Dark Magic, and if you think that's funny ... " << , >> "I don't need you to tell me that. But Mulciber's and Avery's idea of humor is just evil. Evil, Sev. I don't understand how you can be friends with them." <<
What she did, is only critizing him. When you think she explained to him, well I can only see that she tried to force her own morals upon him. She didn't understand why he hated Muggles and called other people Mudbloods except of her and that's why she couldn't convince him of being wrong with his point of view.
It was always expected by Miss Evans that he understands her, because she is right, but she didn't try to understand him. Not even in order to help him. She blamed him for not understanding. He never blamed her! She abadoned him for a mistake, he was willing to excuse and to discuss about this incident.

Often people come up with the argument that you can compare their situation with one if you would be friend with an racist... but well...
When I have a friend that is a racist, then I would try to understand his/her reasons. What experience they made to think that way and when I have this knowledge, than I can better persuade him/her that not all foreigners are like that. That his/her point of view has some mistakes and isn't logical, even more when I'm myself would be a foreigner, too, but still he/she is my friend. You see my point?
It is right he never understood her arguments, because she didn't put enough effort in it, was never enough interested in his story, in his motives. She just judged about him, as she was the person who was always right, who knew it all. In fact she did know little about her so called 'best friend'.
I agree on the point, if Severus would really have understood why it isn't necessary to make the categories of superior and lesser people, he may not joined the Death Eaters, beside the reason that he ´lost´ Lily.

I don't love him for the point that he saw Muggles and Muggleborns as lesser people, I totaly agree here that this is wrong! As I said before I don't think of him being an angel, or that standart hero, that is represented much better by Potter -.-
It is the fact that he as a Slytherin, as a very selfish man, he developes into a person who risks his life for others. You may want to correct me that he only did all this stuff because of Lily and his vow to keep at least her son alife. But at this point think about this: If this was his only goal until the end, then why did he carry on his task when Dumbledore said to him, that Harry has to die?!? With this happening his task would have failed and he didn't try to save the boy and take him away, so he would be save in another country. Snape went on with his maskerade. He still did what Dumbledore wanted him to do in order to kill Voldemort and save thounsands of Muggles. At least the last year of his life he was a true hero, fighting for the people who hate him to the core or for the Muggles who will never know his sacrifice.


V.)  Everywere the people say, that Severus was to blame that the friendship ended, but has anyone ever thought about Lily's part? In my eyes it was as much her fault or even more than it was his.
Quote from HP5, chap 28: >> 'There you go,' he said, as Snape struggled to his feet. 'You're lucky Evans was here, Snivellus-- ' 'I don't need help from filthy little Mudbloods like her!' Lily blinked. 'Fine,' she said coolly. 'I won't bother in future. And I'd wash your pants if I were you, Snivellus.' <<
He insulted her very badly which isn't right at all, even if it was in a very special situation, cause he didn't wanted to appear weak. But just a second after that she insults him, too, very badly. So quid pro quo, wouldn't it?
So why is everybody so upset about him calling her a Mudblood, that is in fact the worst word you can use for a Muggleborn, but no one cares about her calling him Snivellus, that was the worst name someone could call him! She makes jokes about his underpants that where showed to a crowd of people and humilated him with that as bad as James did. Right after that she leaves the scenerey and wouldn't care even if he's got beaten up very badly or if they would take his clothes off.
Lily of course had the right to be angry, but Severus didn't? I can't understand this kind of argumentation. They both did mistakes and they both should have the right to be furious about the other one.

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "I'm sorry." "I'm not interested." "I'm sorry!" "Save your breath" It was nighttime. Lily, who was wearing a dressing gown, stood with her arms folded in front of the portrait of the Fat Lady, at the entrance to Gryffindor Tower. "I only came out because Mary told me you were threatening to sleep here."<<
At least Severus wasn't angry with her or overcame it very quickly and tried to apologize to her. He even threatend to sleep outside the Gryffindor Tower in order to only talk to Lily and to let her know that he was really sorry. It was HER who refused him and sent him away. She didn't wanted to hear his apologize, cause she had made her mind up to break up the friendship. She didn't gave him the chance to proof that he was really sorry for what happened. In the opposite to her cold rejection he was willing to forget her mistake, she wasn't.

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "I was. I would have done. I never meant to call you Mudblood, it just ... " "Slipped out?" There was no pity in Lily's voice. "It's too late. I've made excuses for you for years. None of my friends can understand why I even talk to you. You and your precious little Death Eater friends ... you see, you don't even deny it! You don't even deny that's what you're all aiming to be! You can't wait to join You-Know-Who, can you?" He opened his mouth, but closed it without speaking.<<
There was no pity in Lily's voice. Please read this sentence again and say me where this holy and nice woman is here. She made excuses for him, but for what? Him being a Slytherin?? Yeah I understand that this must be some kind of a bad crime! And of course he never had to make excuses for her. Because it's for a Slytherin that want to become a Death Eater and who normally detest Muggles and Muggleborns, completely regular to be friends with a Muggleborn girl! There is no reason he would have had problems beause of their friendship! Sorry but this is rubbish. They both had friends that didn't like the other part and couldn't understand how they were still 'best friends'. It's not only her having a hard time, but did Severus complain about that? No he didn't in this talk. He didn't wanted to loose her, so he didn't said something against her.

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >>  "I can't pretend anymore. You've chosen your way, I've chosen mine." "No ... listen, I didn't mean ... " " ... to call me Mudblood? But you call everyone of my birth Mudblood, Severus. Why should I be any different?" He struggled on the verge of speech, but with a contemptuous look she turned and climbed back through the portrait hole... <<
Well if it's as far as that and she has to pretend being his friend than I would say she wasn't a real friend at all! But hey, it was all his fault that their friendship came to an end. She didn't want to think by herself about the fact that she was everytime the exception for him. He hated Gryffindors but liked her, even when she was in the same house. He detested Muggleborns and yet he liked her.She was't interested why she was special for him or what caused him to call her Mudblood. She didn't gave a thought about his emberassing situation and that he as a young man has already some pride that he wanted to protect by pretending not needing her help. For her it was again very easy to just see what she wanted to see and that was a Slytherin on his way to become a Death Eater who was mean to her.  Where is the kind and understanding girl of Lily Evans? I can't find it here! What I neither can find is that she gave him a chance to discuss this whole situation out. I would expect that when they both made mistakes that they argue a bit more about it, say what hurted them and what they didn't liked, to find a compromise in the end. She wasn't willing to do that, she let him stand there alone and that after such a 'great friendship' that lasted so many years.
So tell me now how can you really think that only Severus is to blame and has to pay for the rest of his life?!?

We all know what happened after their school time. He became a Death Eater while Lily and James, along with the others of their friends became members of the Order of the Phoenix. Unerstandable that during this time there was no contact between the two, but he took the first step again into her direction by changing sides.
Quote from HP7, chap 33: >>"You disgust me," said Dumbledore, and Harry had never heard so much contempt in his voice. Snape seemed to shrink a little, "You do not care, then, about the deaths of her husband and child? They can die, as long as you have what you want?" Snape said nothing, but merely looked up at Dumbledore. "Hide them all, then," he croaked. "Keep her ... them ... safe. Please." "And what will you give me in return, Severus?" "In ... in return?" Snape gaped at Dumbledore, and Harry expected him to protest, but after a long moment he said, "Anything." <<
He wanted to protect Lily and was even willing to protect the man he hated most, too, only when she would be save. He risked his life by betraying Voldemort and becoming a double-spy for Dumbledore. He did everything that was necessary to save her life and yet there is no single, little hint that she ever thanked him for this! It were his informations that made it possible to hide her family and she had some month left before she died in that Halloween night to try to talk to him. It would have been the perfect start to say sorry and thank you and try to be friends again. But she didn't mentioned him in her letter to Sirius that I wil show you now:

Quote from HP7, chap 10 (Kreacher's Tale): >>Dear Padfoot, Thank you, thank you, for Harry's birthday present! It was his favorite by far. One year old and already zooming along on a toy broomstick, he looked so pleased with himself. I'm enclosing a picture so you can see. You know it only rises about two feet off the ground but he nearly killed the cat and he smashed a horrible vase Petunia sent me for Christmas (no complaints there). Of course James thought it was so funny, says he's going to be a great Quidditch player but we've had to pack away all the ornaments and make sure we don't take our eyes off him when he gets going. We had a very quiet birthday tea, just us and old Bathilda who has always been sweet to us and who dotes on Harry. We were so sorry you couldn't come, but the Order's got to come first, and Harry's not old enough to know it's his birthday anyway! James is getting a bit frustrated shut up here, he tries not to show it but I can tell ... also Dumbledore's still got his Invisibility Cloak, so no chance of little excursions. If you could visit, it would cheer him up so much. Wormy was here last weekend. I thought he seemed down, but that was probably the next about the McKinnons; I cried all evening when I heard. Bathilda drops in most days, she's a fascinating old thing with the most amazing stories about Dumbledore. I'm not sure he'd be pleased if he knew! I don't know how much to believe, actually because it seems incredible that Dumbledore <<
Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> The second page carried only a few words: could ever have been friends with Gellert Grindelwald. I think her mind's going, personally! Lots of love, Lily <<

She cares about everybody. James, Harry, Sirius, Remus, Peter, Dumbledre and Bathilda. But no word about Severus. Of course there are people who think that she wrote him personally and that this wasn't in his memories. But that wouldn't make much sense. Why should he show Harry that he picked up an old letter that wasn't even for him, when he got his own one? Why wouldn't he show Harry that his mother was such a lovely creature and forgave him at last? This is just another proof for me that she wasn't interested in being friends with Snape anymore. She didn't care what was happening to him or in which mortal danger he was again, only because of her!


VI.)  Some of you may think that Lily wanted Severus und James to be friends. Beside the fact that this would be much more cruel, there is no hint of proof for this theory.
I want to explain first why I think that this behaviour would be worse than everything she did before: Snape and Potter hated each other to the core. They both fancied and loved the same woman. They were official rivals and jelaous of another. Snape always tried to find an oppertunity to denounce the Marauders so they would be expelled and on the contrary side they made his life a hell by bullying him every time they got bored. These two people can't become friends and forcing them both to act friendly only to please Lily, would be cruel. Even more when she was dating Potter and it was clear that he 'won the battle'. Everytime Severus would have been around the couple he would have been reminded that he lost his love to the boy he hates the most. They both would have wait for their chance to rip the other one to shreds. It was simply impossible.
On the other side she didn't cared about her former 'best friend' anymore. On the contrary, she married Potter, became close friends with Sirius, Remus and Peter. There was no space for the Slytherin in her now happy life. He would have been again a millstone around her neck, as he was before when her friends didn't understood why she hold up their friendship.
What I can't understand either is that some people think that Lily would wait for Severus in Heaven as an angel, or would guide him to Heaven. Even that she would thank him for everythin that he has done and that she admit that she loves him back.
Sorry this is rubbish! Perhaps she would have thanked him for protecting Harry, but do you really expect her to leave her husband for the man she sent off so many years ago? I know that I call her b**** but I would never think of her as a slut who would betray her so beloved husband that she choosed to marry, but this "bichty" behaviour was made up so often by her fans or Snily fans ect and it sucks. She was also in my eyes a "bitch" and in this case NOT a person who slept with every man or something, cause THIS she def. never did! But more a (in german we say - Miststück) a person you can't trust, who use you as long as she needs you, betray you, talk bad behind your back or to repudiate someone,  play a kind of game infront of you and act differently behind your back and so on... I hope you understand what I mean... sadly there is no real other translation for that kind of german word... :S

In fact I find it more probable that he can find a new love during his life if this woman is strong enough to live with his flaws and mistakes than that Lily would love him back the second he's in heaven. Cause she is in a solid relationship with her husband, he never had a relationship with her. Why shouldn't he been able to experience that with another woman that loves him back?


VII.)  Lily never deserved the love Severus offered to her.
Because he paid for the rest of his lifetime for a guilt/mistake to protect Harry, just cause of her and suffer in all of it. Is that fair? He made just one lil mistake and what did she? So many people call this life of Snape romantic, passionate and wonderful because it's such a big love story but to be honest: THAT isn't romantic, that isn't passionate, that it just poor, unfair and very sad! Would you want such a life? And if you want someone other to make such sacrefices as Snape did, then you're in my eyes very egoistic!
And it is right that there wouldn't be the storyline and the character of Severus Snape as we know him, if Lily wasn't how Rowling wrote her. If she would have done things different then the story would be different, right. But what does this have to do with me hating Lily because of her behavior? When I just have to love everybody that is important to the story I would have to love more than... 30 charas?!? Also if others mean that I am wrong when I hate Lily and that I do not understand the books/story of Rowling and the message she wants to tell us even if she made a lot of logical mistakes by herself. Over and over. In interviews she switch her opinions about characters and comes up with explanations that don't make sense anymore to the books. So sorry and then I should trust in her sooo great (in my eyes not existed - ) message?

But at the end I just can hope this shows clearly why I hate Lily Evans so much even there are many more points I could call. And I won't debate about this anymore cause I have said everything that I wanted to say. If you still have a different opinion than mine than have it and don't bother me with it, espacially not in the case of Lily! You won't convince me with a made up dream view of her, that can't be proofed by the book. I have read these passages multiple times and know what is written there.So I got MY! point of view. Keep yours and all of us will be fine.



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this is an incomplete rebuttal that i wrote like two years ago, before i figured out it was pretty lame to try arguing w/ you so. I just found it and figured i might as well post it even if i could probably give  a better/more well-rounded argument now if i cared enough lol. Snape was an awful person- more human than and not as bad as some of the other characters in the series, admitted, but vile nonetheless. peace. 


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Saw this on tumblr, and I felt like I had to read it. I’ve never heard of someone hating Lily all that much before, so this was a really interesting read (yes, I am one of those people who love Lily, BUT WAIT before you stop reading, let me say some stuff. I promise to be civil ok? Ok. )

Right. I will attempt to address this point-wise.

I)’ Here we can see that Lily asks a few questions about his private life, but right after that she wants to know more about the dementors. She seems not highly interested in what is going on at home and how his family is. Snape shows clear tendences that he's happy to leave his home and his arguing partens. It should be for someone like Lily, who seemed to like her own parents very much, more disturbing to be happy to get away from them. But well dementors are more intersting... And yes they were young, but there is no proof that she ever cared more about his private life when they got older. For more explanations red this point and point IV.’ They were ten years old. Children have an instinct for picking up on emotions, and. From what I can tell, Snape seems uncomfortable talking about his home life. Lily acknowledges this, and doesn’t question him further. She may find it strange, but at that age, children are accepting of differences.

 

Is she really asking Severus what's Potter got to do with anything and why he is so obsessed with them?? Wasn't she aware of the many pranks that where played by the Marauders? Didn't she knew about the occasions that Potter and his friends made his life harder? She wants to be his so called friend, but does she really know what he has to live trough with these Gryffindors? Of course whe have no written proof that James and Sirius were mean to him, but they started to call him Snivellus and tried to trip him even before their first year started. They hated each other from first sight and from 'later' talks we can conclude that they buyllied Severus for fun more than one time. So why didn't she seem to know about it when she was his 'best friend'?
Lily knew that the marauders bothered him, however, she knew too, that he fought back just as hard. Lily doesn’t like the marauders and thus tries her best to ignore them, she wonders why Snape goes out of his way to fight with them. It is true that both James and Sirius wre cruel to him, and they did hate each other at first sight, however, it was as much fault of theirs as it was Snape’s.  I’m not saying that James and Sirius were perfectly innocent, I’m saying that Snape was smart and strong enough to fight back, and he did. He hated them as much as they hated him; if he really didn’t want to fight with them he would have ignored them earlier on, maybe found some way to dissuade them- blackmail, perhaps? Snape was a Slytherin, and by no means stupid. Of course, Lily knows all this. She just doesn’t understand it, the mindless hatred, and while she finds James just as annoying and arrogant as Snape does, she isn’t obsessed about it. She asks, ‘What’s Potter got to do with anything’ because she was trying to talk to Snape about Dark Magic, and the people he hung out with, and he quickly switched to topic to ‘Potter’.  What’s Potter got to do with the fact that he gangs out with blokes would like to kill Lily and all the other muggleborns?

She had heard of the fact that her 'best friend' was in mortal danger and she didn't seem to be troubled one bit. She didn't even ask him about the incident! She didn't ask him what has he done, what's down there that is so dangerous, she just pointed out that James Potter, the great heroic Gryffindor, has saved his life and he should be bloody thankful for that. Wasn't she wondering what this whole thing is about, why didn't she wanted to know what was going on and how could it be, that Sirius seemed not to be punished for his try to kill a student? Because if he would have been punished by Dumbledore or if they even loosed an amount of points, then everyone even Lily would have asked about that. If it would be clear, that Black was be the boy who brought a pupil in this mortal danger, than I expect Lily to not be so calm and to demand thankfulness from Severus! About the incident with the Whomping Willow, you have to remember that no one knew about it, all she had heard were rumours, warped versions of the real tale. No one knew the circumstances behind it, no one knew that it was Sirius who had sent him there or that Remus was a werewolf- Lily had obviously heard that Severus had gone around snooping, and James had saved him- what was she supposed to think? She doesn’t know what it is or how dangerous it is, she just knows that there was something.  Of course she thinks that Snape should be thankful- and he should! James had put aside his hatred and risked his life to save his worst enemy. It wasn’t as if anyone would know what had happened if he hadn’t. They could have kept quiet about it, and Snape would have been killed by werewolf-Remus. James didn’t even transform- he didn’t give it a second thought, and ran it to save the boy he hates- even when he knew, very well, how dangerous werewolf-Remus could be. [Getting off track, here...]

Quote from HP 5, chap 28 (Snape’s Worst Memory): I agree with you here, Lily could have done more. However, it comes to mind that we see this incident in the fifth year, and JKR couldn’t have hinted at Snape-Lily friendship there, it would have spoilt the entire thing! Not much of a defence, but yeah. Ok. So Lily didn’t hex James immediately. The thing is, she was a prefect. She couldn’t just go around hexing people. [It doesn’t excuse her, but that is probably what she was thinking] And Snape and Lily were already growing apart by this time. She was, in fact, sitting with a group of Gryffindor girls instead of him. Her friends obviously didn’t think much of Snape, and yet she stood up for him, in a huge crowd. In my opinion, she didn’t want to get herself and Snape into trouble, as they would be, if they started fighting back. She hoped that she could get them to back off before  things got too bad. I do, however, agree with you here (partly).

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >>"I was. I would have done. I never meant to call you Mudblood, it just ... " "Slipped out?" There was no pity in Lily's voice. "It's too late. I've made excuses for you for years. None of my friends can understand why I even talk to you. You and your precious little Death Eater friends ... you see, you don't even deny it! You don't even deny that's what you're all aiming to be! You can't wait to join You-Know-Who, can you?" He opened his mouth, but closed it without speaking. "I can't pretend anymore. You've chosen your way, I've chosen mine."<<

Okay, this reason, I am sorry to say, makes no sense to me whatsoever. Let’s think about it. Lily Evans is a muggleborn. Since you’ve quoted so much from the chapter,  ‘Snape’s Memory’, you should remember the part where Lily asks Snape if it matters if she is muggleborn? She is clearly insecure about her birth and the fact that she doesn’t have wizard parents, and Snape assures her that it doesn’t matter one bit. Fastforward five-six years later. Lord Voldemort is gaining followers and supporters, even in Hogwarts. Every day, you hear news about muggles and muggleborns being killed, tortured. Slytherin house is notorious for their support towards Voldemort. Lily’s ‘best friend’ hangs out with these blokes who think that ‘her kind’ are complete and utter scum. He calls other muggleborns ‘mudbloods’, the most derogatory term in the wizard world. Will you think, for a minute, about what the word means? Mudblood, dirty blood. It implies that the person in filth, is unclean, is disgusting. It implies that the person had no magic in them, that the person’s magical ability is beneath them, and, in those times, it implied, that the person was unworthy of living, would be a prime target for the ‘Dark Lord’ once they leave Hogwarts.
She made excuses for her 'best friend'?  She can't pretend anymore? Have I missed something when it comes down to a friendship? When she says that she can’t pretend anymore, she means that she can’t pretend that Snape doesn’t feel this way about muggleborns- about her anymore. She has, for a long time, tried to ignore the fact that Severus Snape hangs out with aspiring death eaters. Everytime she tries to confront him about it, he starts having a go at the marauders- Lily doesn’t care about the marauders, she cares about her friend. She isn’t pretending that he is her friend, she’s pretending that she doesn’t see what he is, because she wants to preserve their friendship. I’m not trying to make her out to be a martyr- she has her faults as well as her virtues.
Another point is that it was the first time he called her Mudblood, so the first really bad mistakes (I don't doubt that he had made many little before, but who hasn't?) and she was not willing to give him another chance. She didn't discussed that out and tried to find a solution for this whole problem. Lily isn’t willing to give him a chance, because that is what she has been doing ever since they came to Hogwarts, ever since Snape started practicing the dark arts. He’s been choosing his Slytherin friends over her for years, he’s been calling other people ‘mudbloods’ for years. She’s seen it all, and she’s done her best to ignore it because she wants to believe in him, but when he calls her a mudblood, it’s the last straw on the proverbial camel’s back. This wasn’t the first chance. This was the ten billionth.
. She made it very easy for herself and broke up the friendship ‘Made it easy to break up the friendship’?  My dear, if Lily wanted to ‘break up the friendship’, she would have done that years ago. None of her friends liked him. However, she put in the effort, even tried to talk to him about the dark arts- but whenever she did that, he changed to subject to James Potter.

Quote from HP5, chap 29 (Careers Advice): >> 'And stopped hexing people just for the fun of it,' said Lupin. 'Even Snape?' said Harry. 'Well,' said Lupin slowly, 'Snape was a special case. I mean, he never lost an opportunity to curse James so you couldn't really expect James to take that lying down, could you?' 'And my mum was OK with that?' 'She didn't know too much about it, to tell you the truth,' said Sirius. 'I mean, James didn't take Snape on dates with her and jinx him in front of her, did he?'<<
Yes, James continued his treatment with Snape.
 So Potter continued his treatment with the Slytherin and Lily was 'OK' with that. Sirius says it himself: She didn't know TOO MUCH about it, but that implies that she was aware of it and ignored it. In the extract, Sirius does NOT say that Lily was in any way ‘OK’ with that. He says that she didn’t ‘know much’ about it. Yes, that implies that she did know something.
It's more than a year ago that she was so badly insulted and so she could have calmed down a bit. That’s the thing. Why should she have ‘Calmed down a bit’? This isn’t some childish tiff over something like a stupid nickname. She is still hurt from what Snape did. He betrayed her, insulted her, called her the worst possible thing he could think of- and he meant it, too. He did hate muggleborns, he did stand for pureblood supremacy. Why should she be an exception to the rule? If he really wanted the friendship so much, then he wouldn’t have called people ‘mudblood’.
But she's still not interested in what is happening to her former 'best friend'. It seems she never considered to ask James to stop this whole thing or to talk to both and end this treatment. We’ve seen it before, Lily doesn’t go out of her way to get involved with people she dislikes- she isn’t the type. Instead, she ignores them- She didn’t really care about what James did in his spare time, because of this. She cared about it and got upset when he hexed Severus. Now, Severus had hurt her. She doesn’t want to have anything more to do with him, she said it herself. He chose the Dark Arts and the Death Eaters over her.

When we are still at frequently asked questions, I have one, too: Where do people find the proof that Lily forgave Severus for his mistake? Where do they read that she tried to clear things up and tried to become friends with him again or that she was thankful when he changed sides and thanks to his informations the life of her and her family could be protected for some time? No one finds any proof whatsoever that Lily forgave Severus. This is because she didn’t. And she didn’t, because she didn’t know. As far as Lily knew, Snape was still a Death Eater, loyal to Voldemort. Where in the books is it mentioned that Dumbledore told Lily and James how he got the information? He didn’t. Snape begged him to never ever mention it to anyone, and so Dumbledore didn’t. Snape was a secret only Dumbledore knew about- you know how Dumbledore is with secrets. He doesn’t tell people more than what he thinks they need to know He obviously thought that no one needed to know about the fact that Snape had helped them.
There is no word about Snape in her letter to Sirius or anywhere else. No hint that they ever had contact after Hogwarts or that they talked to each other during the rest of their school time They don’t talk for the rest of their school years. Who said they did? They didn’t talk after, either, for the simple reason that they were on different sides in a war of Good vs. Evil, blah, blah, blah. Severus was a Death Eater- he murdered innocent children and muggles and tortured and maimed various other people. (Yeah, he stopped, and became good and reformed because of Lily and all that, but still...)

please don't try to convince me with your feelings and your believe. *muffles laugh* Sorry. Ironic, wouldn’t you agree? You have no proof for a number of things.

II) JKR said in an interview that Lily had 'feelings' for Severus, but how does it come that it's described like that she had an eye on Potter even before she broke up the friendship with the Slytherin? Cause in one moment she pretends to be his 'best friend' and in the same breath she's defending Potter and his actions. Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "What about the stuff Potter and his mates get up to?" demanded Snape. His color rose again as he said it, unable, it seemed, to hold in his resentment. "What's Potter got to do with anything?" said Lily.<< Clearly defending the boy that bullies her 'best friend'. *turns on the irony* Yeah everybody would have to ask what Potter is doing and no one would know that he jinx people for the fun of it... It's completely normal for the 'best frienf' to not know what is going on in his life. *turns out the irony* Again, this is out of context. Lily was talking to Snape about how she didn’t like the crowd he hung out with, and the things they did, and Snape immediately jumps to Potter. Lily doesn’t like him, at all, and so, like she often does, she tries to ignore him. And, like I said before, what has Potter got to do with the current conversation, i.e., the company Snape keeps? Also, HOW DARE YOU DOUBT THE WORD OF OUR QUEEN!!! *Clears throat* Ignore that. But, yeah, if JKR says something, it’s true. You do not question it. If JKR tells us to take up arms and march, we do. (I really hope you can see that I’m joking...) However, the fact remains that what we see are only glimpses into the past, select scenes that Severus picked out to tell Harry his story. There is at least five years worth of stuff we do not know about.

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "They sneak out at night. There's something weird about that Lupin. Where does he keep going?" "He's ill," said Lily. "They say he's ill ..." "Every month at the full moon?" said Snape. "I know your theory," said Lily, and she sounded cold. "Why are you so obsessed with them anyway? Why do you care what they're doing at night?" "I'm just trying to show you they're not as wonderful as everyone seems to think they are." The intensity of his gaze made her blush. "They don't use Dark Magic, though." She dropped her voice. << Hey Lily, I'm telling you that the Marauders are out of their beds at night, thats against the rules, but you don't care a bit! How does it come? Well I will come later to the point that she must be either completely ignorant or stupid to not think about Severus theory (look at point III.), but right after that she tries to change the subject again into the direction that she tries to defend the Marauders. Again and again, it's immaterial what he's saying but she always find a way to cut his argument off. (And again look at point III. for the explanation why I think that her reason with the Dark Magic is more than weak) No, she doesn’t care. Because she doesn’t care for them. She knows that they sneak out and pull pranks, and always manage to do it without getting caught, so that there is nothing she can do about it. She cares about Severus, and about Snape’s theory, as well as her decision to defend the Marauders against that theory, I will address when I get to point three, as well as the dark magic thing.

Quote from HP7, chap 33: >> "And you're being really ungrateful. I heard what happened the other night. You went sneaking down that tunnel by the Whomping Willow, and James Potter saved you from whatever's down there ... " << I may repeat myself, but well it's clear that she isn't troubled about her 'best friend' being in mortal danger, but that he is ungrateful is more important! Should Severus really be thankful to a boy who never did anything other than to make his life a hell? It's really impressing how much she cares about the fact that James havn't received a 'thank you'  Already addressed this. In reference to the new point you brought up, the fact that you think that Lily thinks that Severus should say ‘thank you’; it is just your opinion, because I think that Lily thinks that Severus should just stop complaining about Potter, and that she knows him better than to expect him to apologise (he’s Slytherin, for heavens sakes!) ... Wow, that was a confusing sentence. 

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don't worry if u don't want to read it, and tbh, don't bother replying but i spent like two hours writing that stuff instead of studying for my o-levels so i figured i might as well post it haha 

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esm3rald Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014
I completely agree. Finally someone who doesn't see Lily as the perfect angel. Sincerely the idea of Snape and Lily together makes me want to vomit. I hate her, she was a bitch. Harry would have never done something like that to his best friend. Harry has and always will be a much better person than both his parents and I wished Snape had realized that before he died.
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014
Well I don't like the Potters in general^^; Cause without Hermione he would have been totally lost e.g, and IMHO he got a mother fixation :S But yeah Harry isn't that bad like his parents were, great we agree dear :)
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hannikka Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2014
i agree she wasnt a good person
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luciomagno Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014
I'm really hate bullies, they are bad people, doesn't mather what excuse do you have...

Lily was ten times worst than James with Severus...

Harry's parents are really bad people, and I don't like them...
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mikeellee Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
I agree with everything (just one note , hum you wrote this on red link? cause it was hard to read)

And i like how you make an eassy about her without turning this into a ship war(but to be honest i do like the idea o fLily in heaven waiting for him...to this i said ,"married until death till apart" but I can see how that can be rubbish too)
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Serplina Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2014
I agree very much.I  think she's Severus's friend just because they both are witch and wizard.I dislike her and confuse why other likes her so much.She is also the reason I dislike gryffindor...!
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014
Thanks dear :) Great we agree :) And yes I don't like the Gryffs that much too. I, in fact dislike the whole Potter Family X°D And yeah I don't get it either :S
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lenoremarcus Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUUUUUUU!!
Is true, Lily is a total bitch... at last somebody else that can see Lily's bitchiness.
Well you're not alone.
Initially, I liked the pairing... well, not the pairing itself... I only was ok with it, but then, me and my Friends Blanca and Azucena were analizing just the same points you gave... that was because I started to write a fanfiction about Severus and my OC. At first my Idea was stick to the canon the most I can: Severus would love Barbara, but not as much as he loved the bitch... Severus would die at the end, but he would leave Barbara (my OC) pregnant with his child... But then we were analizing and we reached the conclusion that it would be so unfair for Barbara to be a "second in importance" to him, and it would be so unfair for Severus to die just for that... person.
So we said: This prince deserves his own happy ending, and decided to keep him alive...
And give him the happy ending he deserved...
Greetings from Mexico!!
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2014
Thanks for to agree with me :) Good to see that I'm still not the only one who got it :D
Greetings from Germany :3
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lenoremarcus Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
We must have an "Anti-Lily Evans club"!! :glomp:

Hey, I've seen some of your art... Is Amazing!! And Emily is beautiful (Well, it was because your art that I got to your explanation on hating Lily.)

Well I have this OC I' have talked you about, Bárbara.... I would Like to check her out, and I'd feel very honoured if you leave a comment on her (Nobody comments my art, they only fave them :( )
WARNING!! Barbara is insane...

Here's the link: fav.me/d78aslo

Regards!!
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People are entitled to their own opinion but I can't help but think you hate Lily because Snape is in love with her. Lily is not perfect, she's human. You know you don't need to belittle her, Snape's canon love interest, so much just to justify your oc pairing. It makes you look childish, petty and jealous.
No matter what you think though keep in mind that your character doesn't actually exist in the HP world. Snape loves Lily no matter what you think or say. Sorry that just the truth. I know you’re not going to respond to my comment or even read it.
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This is so true.  I honestly don't understand why everybody seems to love her so much~
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2014
Thanks :)
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I totally agree.
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013
Thank you :)
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CrimsonScissorhands Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome ^^ I love your drawings of Emily and Severus. They're very clever and nice ^^
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013
Awww that makes me even more happy :D:hug: thank you dear
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CrimsonScissorhands Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're very welcome :) :hug:
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LilHannigan Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2013
Yes! Yes! Yes!

I'm so happy to know I'm not the only one who hates Lily Evans (most people like her). Before DH she was indifferent to me, but when I read The Prince's Tale I started to hate her a lot. The way she acts towards Severus is horrible, and you explain very well why she'll never have my support. Lily is a bad friend, a hypocrite shallow girl who deserves a boy like her (aka James Potter). Severus deserves a true friendship and a true relationship, and Lily only gave him a lot of headaches (although Severus doesn't recognise it) .

By the way, I've been seeing some of your pictures, and I have to tell you that I love Emily (I tend to like OC characters). She seems a good person and I hope Severus can be happy with her :)
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inkyrianna Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013
100% agree with you here.
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013
Thank you :)
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noxevito Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You get it. I would soon ship Severus with the Giant Squid before Evans.
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
Awww great we agree on that :D
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lilygreenx Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013
haha nope. your just a super snape fan who trys to convince people that hes a saint and could do no wrong. he was an asshole of a person and an asshole to lily before turning his life around to protect her(which she cant be thankful for because she didnt even know and was dead -_-) lily was a great friend to him and was his only true friend but he threw that all away because he wanted to be a death eater and james was a jerk when he was a kid but guess what sweetie? he grew up and became the man lily fell in love with. thanks, bye.
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hotxhotguy Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013
I agree. I hate both James and Lily.
I just wish that Sev had found another love and forget about the pots....
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
:D Agreed :/
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hotxhotguy Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013
Did get Who are the Pot's? :D
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Xmatic-Zane Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013   General Artist
classic fangirling lool
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Veeiothas Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
Heyho,
(gott ist das angenehm mal in deutsch zu schreiben Q__Q!!!) Ich habs wirklich gelesen, auch wenn ich englisch lesen einfach ähm...verabscheue! Aber es hat mich total interessiert!
Ich bin kein richtiger HP-fan, muss ich gestehen. Ich hab glaub ich nur aktiv bis zum 4. Buch glaube ich (oder wars das 5.????) gelesen. Irgendwann hab ichs dann aufgegeben weil mir Harry so auf die Eierstöcke ging dass ichs mir nicht mehr antun konnte xP Habe nur ein bisschen im Netz und in den Büchern hin und wieder mal Passagen gespoilert. Soweit zu meinem phenomenalen hintergrundwissen!

Lily und auch James waren unter anderem ein Grund warum ich nicht mehr weitergelesen habe. Als diese ganzen Erinnerungspassagen aus der Vergangenheit kamen, dachte ich mir nur: Genau so habe ich mir die Eltern von diesem kleinen Bast- ähm... tollen Helden Harry vorgestellt. Die tolle Lily Evans, die so tut als würde sie ihren zukünftigen Kerl hassen und ach so blöd finden (das kennen wir schon aus diversen Magical-Girl mangas) und der mädchenschwarm den wir aus den ollen Ami-Serien kennen, der meint er is der herr der welt und an nem passionierten Helden-Syndrom leidet. *seufz* Da wusste ich dann auch woher harry dieses elendige "Ich bin der Held, der rest ist eh dumm"-gehabe her hat. Wie gesagt, ich habe nicht alle Bücher gelesen, manche nur teilweise, aber was du schreibst, ist mir auch manchmal aufgefallen. Ich meine, natürlich ist da jede menge interpretationsfreiraum was Lilys und Severus' "Beziehung" betrifft, aber mir kams auch eher so vor als wäre Lily froh gewesen ihn aus ihrem Leben zu verbannen und möglichst schnell abzuschieben damit sie zu ihrem Player Potter laufen konnte. Ich mag sie nicht. - schlicht und ergreifend - ich kann weder sie, noch ihren kerl, noch ihren sohn leiden. Ich war regelrecht enttäuscht als Harry am schluss NICHT starb. -_- und ich war GESCHOCKT als ich irgendwo gelesen hatte: "Snape liebte und liebt Lily schon seit immer und überall" - ich dachte mir erst das wäre ein schlechter Scherz. Snape ist so ein vielschichtiger interessanter charakter (in einer Geschichte um einen mehr schlecht als rechten Helden) - von dem man immer denkt (ich auch bis dato) "Gott was ist das denn fürn Arschloch" bis man rausfindet dass er alles aus einem grund gemacht hat - genau wie dumbledore - "hoppla, der gute Zauberopa war doch nicht immer so der ganz guuuute." - daher war ich wirklich entsetzt, das JKR ausgerechnet Snapes Tun und Wandel an LILY gekettet hat. Ausgerechnet an LILY! ... ... ...dann doch lieber an Petunia oder McGonagoll (hieß die so?) ... T____T jedenfalls kann ich dir nur zustimmen... ... ... ...Lily, sowie James und teilweise auch Sirius sind ... ...sehr platte Charaktere die ziemlich stark an typische Klischees anknüpfen, und das leider nicht auf lustige oder karrikative weise, sondern als ernst gemeinte Charaktere... ... ...hat für mich die HP-Geschichte unattraktiv und wenig beeindruckend gemacht. Schade um Charaktere wie Snape, Dumbledore, Lupin und ein paar andere Nebencharaktere von denen ich gerne mehr gelesen hätte, die aber definitiv zu kurz kamen gegen die SEITENLANGEN heroischen ausführungen Harry Potters... ...

DAUMEN HOCH! Für deine schöne Ausführung, sogar mit BEGRÜNDUNG! Ich mag keine "Hassparolen" gegen Chars die ohne begründung daherkommen. Mir persönlich reicht schon: "Ich mag den Char einfach nicht, aber den anderen des Pairings eben schon." Ich bin auch eine passionierte OC-schafferin, weil ich viele Pärchen die man so serviert bekommt, eher kritisch betrachte. Die meisten sind drauf ausgelegt sich einfach "gut zu verkaufen". Das schmeckt mir in den seltensten fällen. :) Daher lass dich nicht unterkriegen. Ich finde deinen OC sehr interessant. Besonders da ich Lady Oscar und den Zeichenstil noch aus der Kindheit kenne und liebe!

Auf die leute, die meinen hier blöde Sprüche abzulassen, brauchst du nichts geben. Sie hättens ja nicht lesen müssen, wenn es sie so stört. Sollen sie doch dinge lesen die ihnen gefallen, anstatt sich hier künstlich aufzuregen. Wenn ich etwas finde was mir nicht gefällt, gibt es bei mir ein X im Browserfenster. Dann isses weg :)

(Das ist MEINE MEINUNG, keiner MUSS sie vertreten, keiner MUSS sie lesen.)
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012
Hey Liebes :3,
Erst einmal ganz ganz lieben Dank für dein echt tolles Kommi und auch das du dir die Mühe gemacht gast es zu lesen auch wenn es unter erschwerten Umständen war :D Aber hier auf DA sollte man soetwas schon in EN schreiben, wenn man gewissen Herrschaften was erklären möchte ohne sich bei jedem Kommi oder dauerenden Anfragen warum und weshalb wiederholen zu müssen^^"""
Und du keine Sorge bezüglich des nicht eingefleischten Fan-daseins ;) Ich kann das wenn ich ehrlich bin gut verstegen das du keine Lust mehr hattest weiter zu lesen wegen Harry XD Mir ging es so ähnlich, aber ich habe mich da durch geboxt da ich ja schon wissen wollte warum und weshalb^^" Ich habe zb erst die Filme unbewusst geschaut damals weil... naja es war aktuell... Und wenn ich ganz ehrlich bin ist Danile einfach nur zucker und ein echter Symphatieträger! Nicht zu vergleichen mit dem Balg was im Buch beschrieben steht. Seine Darstellung von Harry ist süß und mitfühlend finde ich und echt zu gern haben im Gehensatz zu den Büchern. Sicher hat dies auch Stellen gehabt wo ich dachte - Ohje :/ Aber seeeehr selten wenn es um Harry ging...-.-
Allein schon da Severus mein Liebling ist XD

LOOOL ach du nimmst mir die Worte aus dem Mund. XD Ja zu Beginn war es noch recht interessant was seine Eltern betraf und warum sie sterben musste etc (zumindest im Buch. Im Film war es so la la). Aber ja, ab Teil/Buch 5 war vorbei! -.- Du trift mit deinen Bezeichnungen den Nagel auf den Kopf! Daher versteh ich auch überhaupt nicht warum sie vor allem Miss E. immer so in den Himmel preisen? Ehrlich wofür? Ja wie ich ja schrieb sie ist für ihren Sohn gestorben, yay...:roll: Aber mal im Ernst welche wirkliche Mutter täte das nicht? Wenn eine Mutter zu loben wäre dann wäre das Molly! Sry, oich mein L. Aktion sich vor Harry zu stellen wo sie doch ganz genau wisste das es Voldi wurst ist ob sie nun auch stirbt oder nicht, weil er an Harry ran wollte und OHNE im Vorfeld zu wissen ob ihre Liebe ihren Sohn dann letztendlich wirklich retten ist hirnrissig! Bloß nicht fliehen, apperieren etc etc etc! -.- Jaja aber hochloben sie wäre die ach so klügste Hexe blablabla...
Und sicher ist es interpretationsache was Snape und sie angeht von den Dingen die man halt nur hat, aber ich hätte es ja nicht so verfasst wie ich es tat, wenn ich es nicht so empfinden würde. >.>
*lach* Ach du auch?? Ja, ich auch und frag nicht nach Sonnenschein!! Das Harry einen auf Jesus macht war... naja.. no comment -.- Aber dafür müssen so tolle Chara wie Snape oder auch Remus sterben toll! >.<
Hauptsache Potter lebt weiter..*würg* Ich bin da wie du... die Familie ist überflüssig wie ne Warze am Arsch! Mein Held ist und bleibt neben Severus eh von den Kindern Neville!^^
Yapp, ganz meiner Meinung @Snape Hintergründe! Bei Dumbledore war ich nicht sonderlich überrascht das er so ein Arsch war mit der großväterlichen Fassade... Und das Severus eben auch alles aus einem emotionalen Grund tat auch nicht, ABER ja, wie du sagstes.... warum das Miststück???? O__O Ich wäre da auch eher für Petunia geweesn, die ich im überigen sehr sehr mag. Ihren Gatten nun nicht, aber sie selbst ja. Sie tat mir immer sehr leid im Schatten ihrer ach so tollen Schwester zu stehen! -.- Die ein Wolf im Schafspelz ist/war!
Ja Minerva Mcgonagall ist richtig ;) Und nee das Pairing ist auch nicht dfas meine muss ich sagen, da ich bei Minerva schon ihre Hintergrundgeschichte so mag wie sie ist. Das sie auch in einen Muggel verliebt war, ihn aber nicht heiraten konnte etc. :)
Ohh und von Sirius fangen wir nicht an... Ich liebe Gary Oldman in der Rolle, aber der Chara ist genau so ein Macho wie James...-.- Allein der Fakt das er es als lustig empfand Severus während der Schulzeit umbringen zu wollen als er ihn zu Remus schickte während es Vollmond war... Brovo! -.-
Und ja das ist sehr wahr. Aber leider ist es nunmal so das die Bücher ja auch HP heißen und nicht Severus Snape oder so :( Und vergess nicht.. unsere heutige Gesellschaft (oder die Gesellschaft im Allg.) födert und liebt eher solche Klischees, denn so etwas spiegelt diese nämlich ziemlich gut wieder wie man an dem Erfolg und der Beliebtheit leider sehen kann. Damit möcte ich nicht sagen das jeder der es anders sieht als wir scheiße ist als Mensch, aber wenn ich ehrlich bin legt sich bei mir dann schon eine gewisse Vorsicht an, wenn ich weiß die finden solche Handlungs und Art und Weisen dolle :/ Weißte? Ach schwer zu erklären^^""""

:bow: Vielen Dank!!! :hug: Naja ich sag mal wenn ich etwas nicht mag werdei ch ja wohl auch begründen können warum und das ein wenig mehr als nur mit - Ist scheiße, weil KA Author scheiße, Zeichner scheiße. Und das Buch/diese Chara sind in dem Fall an die Welt offiziel verkauft worden. Und zumal ist das auch nur meine persönliche Ansicht der Dinge. :3
Und ja das stimmt. Ich habe auch sehr seeehr selten Pairings die so wie sie sind dolle sind. Und der Verkaufszwag ist einfach nur schade an der Sache. :/
Awww danke dir nochmals das du Emily magst! :) Das freut mich sehr. Ach ja LO... damals fing es an und mittlerweile rate ich jedem davon ab, da es nichts weiter als geschichtlicher Müll ist... :S Und allein der schöne Stil bleibt. *seufz*

Ach du... ich ignoier solche Kommi hier schon. Sie werden abgespeichert in nem Ordner und dann weg gext. Da ich dsa nämlich selbst auch so sehe. Ich mein wenn ich mich dazu entschließe etwas zu schreiben zu einem Thema wo ich leider weiß das es mir nicht chmecken wird und was sich dazu noch um etwas völlig fiktives handelt, sollte ich das ruhig tun. Oder es eben gar nicht erst lesen, da es nicht meine Ansicht teilen wird... *schulter zuck* So ist es eben...
Und solche Vermerke das es einzig und allein die eigene Meinung ist interessiert dabei auch kaum wen...:roll: weil lesen ist oft nicht die Stärke von jedem. Und wenn die Worte auch noch zu verstehen...*seufz*

ie dem auch sei. vielen Dank nochmals für dein Kommi. Hat mich sehr gefreut :D
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Veeiothas Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012
Nichts zu danken :) Du verdienst Respekt dafür, für deine Meinung geradezustehen und seis "nur" auf DA und über eine fiktionale Sache. Dazu gehört einiges! Und ich finds super :)

Das stört mich auch tierisch! Kein Charakter (außer James) wird SO dermaßen vergöttert wie Lily. Ich meine, klar, das Argument, dass Lupin, Sirius und Dumbledore Harry wohl kaum sagen "Ey, deine Mutta ne... war so doof dass sie nichtmal ihren Zauberstab dabei hatte." und sowas, ist klar. Aber selbst in Erinnerungen und Rückblenden kommt sie immer so wie der strahlende Engel rüber. Ich habe das gefühl da hat sich JKR so ne kleine Mary Sue gebaut mit der sie sich identifiziert. - nur eine Unterstellung. Beweisen kann ichs natürlich nicht. Anfangs besonders im Film kam es ja so rüber, als wäre Lupin auch in sie verschossen gewesen als er da so passioniert über sie sprach, da blieb mir nur eine Augenbraue zu heben und mich an meinem Getränk zu verschlucken... ... ... ... ... :P

Petunia tat mir auch immer leid... und Dudley in gewisser weise auch, weil er von seinen Ellies ja total verblödet wurde...
Von den Kids mochte ich Neville auch sehr gern. Er war n Chara der mal nicht nervte mit Klugscheißerei, wie Hermine oder ständig an Harry klebte, wie Ron. Ginny ging so, aber manchmal erinnerte sie mich (Wohl gewollt wie man am schluss rausfindet) an Lily. Ich fand es sowieso etwas uhm... ...merkwürdigst am Schluss dass ein James-Klon, gespielt von Harry und ein Lily-Klon, gespielt von Ginny mit ihren Kindern, die sie nach ihren toten Freunden benannt hatten am Bahnhof standen. Mag ein schönes Happy End sein, ich empfand es als etwas sehr gewagt... mich würde das vermutlich ständig an den Mist erinnern den ich durchgemacht hätte an Harrys stelle wenn meine Kinder ausgerechnet SO heißen.
Du sprichst mir aus der Seele... wirklich. :D

Hach ja... Lady Oscar. Kindheitserinnerungen :) geschichtlicher Dünnpfiff hin und oder her. Man kann von einer jap. alten Mangaserie keine präzise historienforschung erwarten, besonders wenn sie für "Fans" ausgelegt ist. Dennoch mochte und mag ich die Serie total. Die einzige die mich nervt war Antoinette... ... ... ... erst ist sie Lesbe - steht auf Oscar - dann ist sie wieder hetero und steht auf von fersen - und später wieder Oscar und was isse dann? Bi? Q_Q Gut dass mri das als Kind nicht aufgefallen ist. Als erwachsene war ich schockiert und mir tat ihr armer knuffiger König so leid... Loui der ihr sogar ein Herz geschmiedet hat und sie macht so n aufstand bloß weil sie "vernachlässigt" wird... meine güte -___- soll sie halt mitschmieden, dumme Gans. - Sorry xD Ich bin etwas direkt und da fällt schonmal ne beleidigung. Geschichtlich finde ich sie auch nicht so dolle, sie war mir auch im spärlichen Geschichtsunterricht immer gänzlich zuwider, natürlich noch verstärkt durch die Serie xD

Tjaja, die liebe Geldgier macht so einiges kaputt. Wenn ich da an meine lieblingschars denke die allesamt mit mehr schlecht als rechten Damen bestückt wurden von den "Firmen" nur um sie zu verkaufen... *seufzt* da bricht jedes Herz, welches an den Charas hängt. Gut dass es da meinen Ehemann gibt, der hin und wieder in die haut eines charas schlüpft um mit mir ein RPG zu schreiben *evil laugh mit händereiben* :)

Emily ist klasse! Habe ein wenig auf deiner Seite und in deinen FAQs rumgestöbert! Ich finds super wie viel Hintergrundgedanken du dir /ihr euch, gemacht habt um sie schön in die Geschichten der "originale" sag ich jetzt mal, einzufügen. Das is nicht - so, OC rein, restliche weibliche belegschaft raus - das mag ich auch nicht. Es muss schon passen! Bin da auch sehr pinibel und es freut mich zu sehen, dass nicht nur ich es bin.
Habe gelesen dass es manche "ekelhaft" finden dass du Loui magst. =_O Find ich gar nicht. Ich meine, die Jugend steht auf Justin Bieber. Das reicht doch schon um gegenzuhalten - scherz beiseite. Ob ich jetzt auf eine virutelle Pixelfigur, eine gezeichnete Linie die über den Bildschirm flimmert oder auf einen toten Monarchen stehe, das macht auch nimmer viel um, ganz ehrlich. Ich finds jedenfalls keinesfalls verwerflich, im gegenteil, es ist sehr originell :)

Deine Zeichnungen sind übrigens auch extrem schön. Etwas gewöhnungsbedürftig wegen des Mix-stils aber sehr, sehr schön und mit viel liebe zum detail :) Man sieht dass du in den Chars steckst und keine Fehler duldest in deinen Bildern! So sind wir RPGler, immer mit ganzem Herzen und nur das beste für die Charas die wir lieben.

Wie sich manche leute über sowas aufregen können, ist mir auch schleierhaft. Ich meine 1. es ist fiktion, 2. es ist eine eigene meinung, die man doch nicht teilen muss und 3. mit einem klick isses weg und ich muss es nie mehr sehen wenn ich das will. *seufz* Naja, wie du sagst, lesen und verstehen ist nicht jedermanns sache :P

Ich bedanke mich für deine Antwort, es ist sehr angenehm mit dir Wortwechsel zu führen :)
Ach jetzt is der Text wieder so lang geworden...XD
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Ps: Sry für möglich Tippfehler ;_;
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Oh da kann ich mich jedoch wieder nur rechtherzlich bedanken :hug: Aber klingt es nun komisch wenn ich sage - so bin ich eben?^^; Ich hasse Mitläufer und solche die kuschen nur damit sie keinen Streit haben aber dafür ihre Ideale sogesehen verraten. Ich war früher nicht besser, aber das würde ich nie wieder sein wollen. Ich mein niemand streitet sich gerne und ich zb bin ein ziemlich Harmonie bedürftiger Mensch, aber wenn etwas gegen meinen Ansicht von Moral, Gerechtigkeit und Co. ist dann äußere ich das auch und dabei ist es mir auch egal wie viele dann meinen dagegen zu sein.^^"

Ja sicher. Ich mein egal ob Harry nur ein AK ist oder nicht, soetwas sagt man keinem kleinen Jungen. Sicher und wenn dann versucht man ihn WENN dezent an die Materiere heran zu führen^^"" Aber sry über das Miststück verliert außer ihre Schwester (zu Recht) nie wer ein schlechtes Wort. Doofheit, Arroganz, falscher Stolz und Hoch/Übermut, wird sogar noch gehuldigt und als das Non-plus-ultra gewertet!! Klasse Beispiele an die sich Kinder/Jugendliche also halten solln?! Oo
Ich mein ok, Harry hat ja hin und wieder lichte Momente.. zb nach der Okklumentikstunde wo er endlich mal sieht was ein Arsch sein Vadda ist/war und er für den Bruchteil einer Sekunde Snape endlich mal versteht... Aber jaja, ein paar Seiten/Minuten weiter ist alles wieder als wäre nix.. und sry selbst in Buch/Film 1 kriegt der Trottel sogar schon gesagt das Severus ihn retten wollte mehrfach und er nicht der Böse ist wie vermutet wurde... aber neeeeeein der heldengafte Mr. Potter brauch ja wieder seine extra Wurst und pocht weiter auf sein hirnrissiges Recht :roll:
Und ohhhhh jaaa da sagste wat... Ich glaube auch das sie sich als L. sieht.-.- Die perfekte Mutter (die nie eine war) Aber sie gab es auch selbst zu das L. und Hermine ihre Lieblinge sind und Harry der Sohn den sie nie hatte... soviel dazu... Bzw wer diese Chara nicht mag 1.) die Bücher nicht verstanden hat und 2.) nicht mehr ganz docht ist (um es mal frei zu sagen). Und alle die, die Severus als Liebling haben auch nicht mehr ganz normal sein können.. ich dachte nur - ey Alte... gleich... >.<
Ich kann JK eh nicht mehr ab. Nicht seit sie denke sie wäre wat weiß ich wer...>.> Unmd besonders nachdem sie sich immer wieder widerspricht, Dinge umstellt und behauptet wie es ihr beliebt....
Zb meinte Madame ja auch tatsächlich, das L. und Snape ja hätte sein können, da sie schon gefühle für ihn gehabt hatte, wäre er nicht der Schwarzmagie zugetan hewesen... O__o Ich dachte als ich das las echt die will mich veraschen!!!

Das was Remus (mein anders schnuckel) da meinte los zu lassen... ja da dachte ich mir auch nur... ey was hast du geraucht??? :O
Aber auch da zeigt sich mal wieder DAS wahre Wesen von der Sch*****... weil: Überlegen wir mal... Severus versuchte ihr ab dem dsritten Schuljahr klar zu machen das Remus ein Werwolf ist weswegen er immer bei Vollmond weg ist und sie ihn als Arsch deswegen schon einmal abstempelt er solle sich nicht lächerlich machen. Nicht zu erwähnen das die Schüler im dritten Jahr alles über derartige Kreaturen gelehrt bekommen wie man an Harrys Jahrgang sieht und selbst Hermine es ja schon recht fix raus hatte... Und das, um es och mal anzumerken L. ja auch soooo suuuper clever sein sollte*hust*... So...
Und dann tadam sie ist im letzten Schuljahr mit Potter zusammen und plötzlich ist Remus auch ihr Freund und alles ist kein Problem mehr mit dem Werwolf Dasein? oO Klar! Aber ihre ach so besten Freund vorher dafür fertig machen....-.-

Ja Dudley bekommt ja auch seine Momente zum Ende hin.:) Neville ist, wenn man es mal genau bedenkt auch soetwas wie der Fizeauserwählte... wäre Voldi nicht zu den Potters gegangen sondern zuerst zu Nevilles Ellis. Und mal ehrlich.. wenn ich daran denke wie der Atme von seinen Verwandeten behandelt wurde? Ich mein Hallo? Aus dem Fenster geworfen um zu sehen ob er magisch ist? O_O
Ich muss auch gestehen, das ich, auch wenn ich Harry nicht ab kann, durch Emma und Daniel, ihn mit Hermine immer als Pärchen gesehen habe und ich ehrlich gesagt schon gescockt war das sie so einen Depp wie Ron heiratet.. da hat sich ja das jahrelange studieren echt gelohnt...-.- Und das wo ich Rons Eltern liebe und seine Vrüder Fred&George aber Ron.... neee. Obwohl er mir auch hin und wieder leid tat, so im Schatten des grißen Potters zu stehen. :/
Und jaaaa von Ginny fang ich am besten nicht an...-.- Der Beweis das Harry nen Mutterkomplex hat...sry... und noch die perfekte MS, das Fangirl das ihren Star am Ende heiratet. *nerv*
Und jaaa die Namesgebung ist auch so ne Sache für sich... *schüttel* Als Ehrung an die größten Männer die er kannte. Da sieht man mal das Harry immer noch nichts gerallt hatte bezüglich Albus zum einen und zum anderen... Hallo, seinem Sohn am Kings Corss noch versichern das jemand ganz tolles nach Slytherin gegangen ist, aber wenn er nicht will er schon nach Gryffindor kommen wird... Brovo.
Ach du mir auch, glab mal. Ich mussimmer wieder schmunzel weil ich mir echt das selbe Denke! :D

Hmmmm ja das dachte ich mir auch, aber nach 8 Jahren Krieg mit dummen Kindern (die nicht immer nur Kinder waren) seh ich das leider nicht einfach nur noch als Kindheitserinnerung^^" Der Zug ist vorbei... Allein schon da es im Manga sogar noch angegeben wird, (von Riyoko Ikeda) das die Geschichte auf der "Bio" von Stefan Zweig beruht und DER ist im geschichtlichen Bereich der reinste Horror!!!! Einer meiner sogenannten Erzfeinde Nr.1!! Der Arsch hat solch einen Scheißdreck über Ludwig verfasst um die Olle aus Ösiland besser da stehen zu lassen und sogar noch wichtige Dokumente gekürzt etc! ABER die Welt liebt und glaubt es zum Teil bos heute... Es ist noch nicht einmal eine Bio, wird aber immer noch als solche verschachert! Selbst in Frankreich! >.< Gott da kocht schon mein Blut!! *arrrrrrg*
Und wenn wir schon dabei sind... ich hasse MA!!! Diese vermalledeite Sch*******, gott wenn sie nicht schon tot wäre, ich würde sie eigenhändig aufs Schafott bringen!!!
Eine verherrlichung in der Serie als auch im Manga par excellance!
Leider mag ich Oscar selbst auch nicht mehr so, weil sie eben so eine MS verkörpert. Im Manga mehr als im Anime, aber dennoch.. Alle lieben sie, alle wollen etwas von ihr, alle sind auf ihrer Seite. Sie begeistert alle, keirgt alles und spielt nachher noch den Märtyrer ohne Sinn und Verstand...*seufz* ABER sie ist mir dennoch lieber als die österreichische Hure! Mein Liebling in LO ist (neben meinem Mann und dessen Kinder XD) André und Alain + Schwester Diane :)
Ich weiß ich schein da sehr pingelig, aber so oft wie wir den Manga gelsen und die Serie gesehen haben, bleibt es einfach nicht aus, das man einige Dinge mal anfängt in einem anderen Licht zu betrachten^^" XD

Zu Ludwig/Louis::
Ja, ich kann auch nicht abstreiten das mich LO zu ohm geführt hat. Also zu dem echten. Weil er so ein Herzchen in der Serie war, wodurch ich das erste Mal aufgewacht bin bezüglich der Thematik. Aber auch hier ist es wieder völlig am Realismus vorbei da Ludwig nicht im geringsten so war wie dort dargestellt. Dick, dumm, desinteressiert usw! Alles Quatsch!!! Ach und auch wenn ich es süß von Stil her finde könnte ich Ikeda dafür morcheln! >___<
Man was könnte ich dir nicht alles über ohn erzählen... Ich mein ich studieren sein Leben ja nicht für umsonst schon fast 8 Jahre mit vollem Herzblut XD Aber ich befürchte der Text hier wird eh schon lang genug Q__Q

Oh du bist berheiratet? :) Und jaa soetwas ist immer schön. Ich spiele auch lieber RPG um zumindest so etwas zu korrigieren was hätte sein solln. XD Ich kann dich da seeeehr gut verstehen :D

Oh danke sehr!!! <333 Ja ne soetwas geht gar nicht. Wenn OC dan aber auch vernüftig! Man muss sich zwar immer hier und da was biegen was nicht aus bleibt, ABER sollte immer versuchen es logisch zu halten und nachvollziehbar! Ich finde es eh scheiße, das ein OC gleich immer als MS und Co. abgestempelt wird nur weil er vllt berühmter its, beliebter, oder was weiß ich... Und das, ja das muss auch gesagt sein, es leider sicher diese schlechten Beispiele gibt wo ein OC wie eine MS argiert. Man wird halt direkt in das Klischee gesteckt. Und bei Emily war/ist es besonders schwer, da ich sehr damit zu kämpfen hab/hatte,... Rote Haare = L.E! >___< *auskeks* Das sie gar nicht nach der Olle aussieht und auch immer die Namen drauf stehen etc etc etc... ehal waynne.... womit wir wieder bei lesen sind...*seufz*
Nun ja die die das finden gehören zu der Sorte Basher... -.- Daraf geb ich nichts, weil die dummen Kinder wissen doch gar nicht wovon sie da reden!
Ja ich liebe Ludwig und ich liebe ihn auch so wie man seinen Freund etc liebt. Heb ich gut und gerne zu, aber dennoch ist diese Liebe nicht direkt gleich zusetzten weil, ja klar er lebt leider nicht mehr, so oder so, Schicksal mal abgesehen und mir ist es dabei viel viel wichtiger seinen guten Namen wiederher zustellen, den die Alte ihm zerstört hat u.a!!! >__<
Hach das ist alles so kompliziert^^""
Aber danke dir das du es anders siehst!! <3 Das freut mich sehr^^

Naja ich wag mich ja mittlerweile auch daran Severus mehr Animemäßig zu zeichnen mit Emily wie man an den letzten Zeichnungen sieht, aber da entscheide ich halt immer spontan ob Snape real sein soll oder nocht und was halt in dem Fall besser passt etc XD Ich kann wenn ich will, aber ich will oft eben nicht weil Severus erinfach Alan für mich ist daher XD
Und klar versteht ich ds es gewöhnungsbedürftig ist mit den Stilen, aber ich sag mal so - wer kann der kann wa? ;P *man hoffentlich klingt das nun nicht eigebildet^^"*
Aber du bist süß :hug: Vielen Dank für all die lieben Worte. Nur leider muss ich sagen das auch ich noch seeehr viele Fehler mache... fallen mir aber dann auch erst viel später dann auf^^"""
Aber ja so sieht es aus!!! *dir voll und ganz zustimmt* :D

Ohhhh ja und das leider in so viellerei Bereichen.. tag täglich! -.- Traurig aber wahr...*seufz*

Oh ich bedanke mich auch, ich schreibe auch sehr sehr gern mit dir :D Und mach dir da auch keine Sorge um deine Direktheit! Ich finde das sogar richtig klasse! Tu dir also keinen Zwang an, denn wie du ja nun gelesen hast, kann auch ich mich seeeeeltens zurückhalten wenn uch mich aufrege und das tun leider einige Themen seeeehr schnell XD Also wegen mir musst du dich nicht zurückhalten und auch nicht befürchten das ich mir denk - boah watn das für ne assi-olle XDD Weil ansonsten bin ich genau so assi XDD ;)
Und sry ja meine Antwort ist nun auch alles andere als kurz^^""
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Veeiothas Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
Ich liebe lange antworten :) Tschuldige dass es diesmal so lange dauerte mit der antwort xD Ich war etwas gemeuchelt vom Stress...

Remus finde ich auch klasse :D ich mochte zwar den Schauspieler aus den Filmen nicht sooo (weil ich ihn aus einem anderen Film kannte, wo er einen ziemlichen Arsch gespielt hat, und daran hab ich mich halt immer erinnert + ich habe mir Lupin immer etwas anders vorgestellt! xD Besonders auch als Werwolf... nicht als Nacktkatze O_O), aber im Buch fand ich Lupin einfach nur schnuckelig! Empfands dann nur etwas komisch was da mit Tonks lief, weil das passte irgendwie so gar nicht zu Remus, oder man hat zu wenig erfahren weil JKR ja lieber unwichtige Dinge für ihren Harry-Sohn-Schnuckel geschrieben hat O___o Was Tonks und Remus betrifft, empfand ich mich als leser etwas unterinformiert... ... Tonks ist aber einer der Charaktere die ich mochte. Sie war mal keine Mary Sue sondern eben nen einzigartiger Charakter mit Problemen und Fehlern... Was mich total angekotzt hat war dieses Ende für Teddy... ... Teddy der neue Harry Potter oder was?! NA HOFFENTLICH NICHT! EINER VON DER SORTE REICHT SCHON!!!!!!! X_X !!!!!!!!!!! *schreiend wegrenn*

Jjjjjjaaaa... Ginny. *hüstel* ... ...Fangirl mit Star, das passt wirklich... ... ugh. Wenn ich mir vorstelle wieviele Leute dann mit Tokio Hotel verheiratet wären... ... ... *cut!!!!*

Ganz ruuuuuuhig! xD Ich bin kein Geschichtscrack muss ich zugeben (nicht in diesem Bereich) aber ich denke, es ist sicher sehr interessant Loui mal anders zu erleben und bisschen andere Dinge über ihn zu erfahren als immer propagiert wird!
Den Manga von LO hab ich gar nicht gelesen, weil mir der Zeichenstil überhauptnicht gefallen hat... ... :( Da war der in der Serie schöner, im Manga zwar detaillierter aber ich fand, in der Serie konnte man Oscar noch abkaufen dass sie ne Kerl sein könnte, aber im Manga war sie dann ja ein totales Chick (vom Aussehen her). Ich empfand Oscar zwar teilweise als MS aber nicht komplett, es gab immerhin auch Dinge die sie mal nicht bekommen hat (z. b. die Sache mit von Fersen - warum auch immer alle auf den standen, konnte ich nie verstehen... O_O) aber im großen und ganzen hat sie schon ziemlich in dieses Klischee gepasst. Das ist schade an vielen Mangas und Animes: Der Hauptcharakter ist zu 90 % eine MS auch mal in männlicher Ausführung. Ich meine: Dragonball = Son Goku (diese vermaledeiten Nervensäge...), Kamikaze Kaito Jeanne = Maron (diese elendige Heulsuse...), Lady Oscar = Oscar (...wie gesagt), ... ich glaube die Liste ginge endlos weiter :P Schlimm finde ich auch diese "Frauenklischees" in PC-Spielen... ...bah, das ist teilweise auch nicht mehr feierlich. Frau = OO + Y möglichst unbedeckt! Sorry... xD Ich zeichne auch mal gern etwas freizügiger aber nicht SO... Das zielt ja echt nur noch auf SexSells ab und hat nichtmal mehr was mit erotik zu tun (die ich auch hin und wieder gerne zeichne! :D)!

Moment, ich komme vom Thema ab... xD und der Text wird sowieso schon wieder zu lang! *mecker*

Jupp, ich bin verheiratet :) aber noch nicht lange! Aber ich bin froh dass ich mir mein süßes Kerlchen geschnappt habe, er ist perfekt für mich - nicht perfekt im Sinne: Sieht supertoll aus und so, das ist nebensächlich. Er ist einfach perfekt für mich. Er nimmt mich wie ich bin und ich ihn wie er ist... ich könnte dir da stundenlang vorschwärmen x) !!!

IM ERNST?! Emily wurde schon mit Lily verwechselt?! Also manche Leute haben echt Tomaten auf den Augen. Lily wird ja doch sehr anders als Emily beschrieben, und außerdem empfinde ich Emilys Harre als viel dunkler, sie sieht anders aus, schon das Gesicht und die Haltung und und und... ...aber für die Leute heißt halt immer automatisch: "oooh Snape und die Frau? - Lily!!!!" brrrrh x_X Mach dir nix draus, meine Rasheeda wurde auch schonmal für Tusschen Anya gehalten (wir merken: Rasheeda: SEHR LANGE weiße Haare, sehr blasse haut, silberne augen - Anya: kurze blonde haare, menschliche haut, blaue oder braune augen) ... -__- Die leute reden halt erst bevor se nachdenken... ... ... Aber ich dachte mir schon, dass das automatisch angenommen wird weil Emily: rote haare = rote haare + bei snape = Lily. Kann verstehen dass das aufn keks geht.
Viele OC's gehen vielleicht in die Richtung Mary Sue, weil sich viele leute damit selbstprofilieren wollen, aber richtig eingefleischte RPGer vermeiden das normalerweise wie die Pest! Ich meine, an einem Char der alles kann, alles macht, alle lieben, was ist da noch interessant??? Ich empfinde solche charas als sehr langweilig, weil sie keine Fehler keine Probleme haben die wirklich tiefgehend sind, und das ist doch der Kill für jedes RPG... ... ... -__- aber sowas verstehen die leutchen oft nicht. Ich unterstell ihnen da nichtmal böswilligkeit, (machen vlt schon) aber viele kennens auch nur so: OC = Mary Sue! Schade, aber wahr... :( Das haben uns ein paar spacken mit MS-OCs kaputtgemacht!

Ich finde deinen stil super :) Es ist mal was anderes! nicht der einheitsbrei. Ich finde viele Manga und Animezeichnungen hier auf DA zwar vom können her gut, aber es ist fast immer der typische Glubschaugen-Kleine-Mädchen-Stil oder der Mann-sieht-aus-wie-Frau-trifft-kleinen-jungen-sieht-auch-aus-wie-mädchen-und-machen-liebe-stil... die ich beide abgrundtief verabscheue... T_T dafür können die artists nichts, das tut mir oft auch leid, weil die bilder an sich eigentlich von coloration und so super sind, aber das thema... hmpf... ... :P Auch finde ich deinen erotischeren Bilder echt schön :) Ich steh auf "zweisamkeit" und zeichne sie auch gerne darf auch mal direkter sein... ich meine, es gibt eine Warnung in DA dafür, und wers nicht sehen will brauchts nicht wegzuklicken XP ende gelände... da verstehe ich den ganzen hickhack mit Porno und so nicht. ein porno ist doch was anderes wie wenn ich zwei charas mit geschichte so zeichne. Außerdem, vieles was im Fernsehn um 20.15 gezeigt wird, kann oft auch schon OHNE WARNUNG als Porno durchgehen -_- Aber das is ja egal... da gucken sie sich dann die Augen raus...

Vielen dank! :) ich mag ehrliche leute, ich bin selber ein sehr direkter und ehrlicher mensch, zwar mit durchaus diplomatischen genen, ich kann auch auf andere eingehen und meine Meinung überdenken, aber ich komm recht schnell mit meiner um die ecke wenn mir was gegen den strich geht! Ich finde, wenn das jeder so halten würde, wär das leben um so vieles einfacher... ... ... :P
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Ach du kein Problem, kommt sicher mal vor das ich auch hier und da was brauchen werde^^" Von daher ;)

Haste David wahrscheinlich als Nazi gesehen oder in Dragonheart gell? :lol: Ich liebe ihn und mag ihn auch total als Remus, ein wenig schwul wirkt er da aber ich liebe ihn XD Liegt aber wohl auch daran das ich da nicht so vorbelastet bin ;) Und jaa Remus und Tonks sind toll. Richtig süß. Das einzige was mich dabei nur wieder ankotz ist eben JKs Aussage, dass er ja "eigentlich" auch angeblich schwul war und nur plötzlich ne Splin bekommen hätte mit 30 eine Famile haben zu wollen und deswegen Tonks genommen hätte... ja ne is klar -.- Das passiert auch plötzlich so... Vorallem mit ihrem Argument weil er ja nie ne Beziehung zu ner Frau hatte.. ähm, ja wie auch wenner von fast jedem gemieden wurde, bzw da so ein kleines Problem mit sich trägt?!:roll: Aber ja dher ist auch jeder Mann gleich schwul...-.-
Und ich mein die Aktion das ihm der ach so große Potter, also Harry dann den Kopf wäscht als er Panik in Band 7 bekommt ist auch lächerlich...
Von der Sache mit Teddy bei Onkel Harry mal ganz abgesehen, ja...-.-

Ludwig ist alles für mich und ja ich werde da recht schnell bißig^^; Aber nach so vielen Jahren mit dummen Menschen ist das leider nicht verwunderlich :/
Interessant ist es auch nur will das kaum wer hören oder wissen eben dank der Sch*** von MA! Sie drückt seinen Ruf nämlich bis heute....-.-
Ach ich mag den Zeichenstil im Manga schon, aber der Anime sagt mir auch weitaus mehr zu, vor allem weil es da wesentlich um Oscar und André geht und nicht um die Olle.
Naja das mit von Fersen ann ich dir erklären... Er galt als schönster Mann Nordeuropas (leider leider wahr) und wusste eben sich zu verkaufen und ein zuschleimen vorallem bei MA. Wie sähe es für eine MS denn aus wenn nicht auch sie versuchen wollen würde ihn haben zu wollen...
Und ja die MS dieser Welt... es gibt sie in Massen und keiner stört sich daran warum.. weil ja canon ist... aber das die Leute mal überlegen das es genau genommen auch nur OCs sind.. nö zu viel. OCs die andere eben so (meistens) entwickelt haben und eben nur weltweit vermarktet...
Und ja das sex-sells ist ja auch nix neues fing ja schon mit Lara an...:roll:
Ich finde sexy oder auch erotisch nun nichts schlimmes, ich zeichne es ja selbst aber in erster Line sollten doch andere Werte zählen...

Oh das ist ja süß mit euch :3 Mein Freund hatte sich vor ungefähr ne Woche von mir getrennt nach über 3 Jahren(Fernbeziehung allerd.) Aus löcherlichen und äußerst schwachsinnigen Gründen,.. lange Story aber nicht unbedingt nennenswert X°D

JA!! -.- Und das nicht nur einmal... es passiert sogar mittlerweile immer noch...*seufz* Und ja seh ich auch so Emily ist nicht im geringsten mit dieser ******* zu vergleichen >.< Aber wie schon bereits festegestellt... rote Haare und fub = es ist Lily. Weil Severus liebte ja nie wen anders und würde es auch nie.. wo kämen wir denn da hin ...>.> Ja klar er hatte ja auch nie die Chance dazu aber egal...*seufz* Aber danke das du verstehst warum mich dsa echt nur noch ankotzt. Ich reagier daher auch oft einfach nur noch genervt und auch pampig auch wenn ich es eigentlich nich will :/
@OCs: Ich mein wenn man ehrlich ist baut man immer hier und da Dinge von sich selbst hinein.. sei es Erfahrungen, Vorlieben, Ängste etc. Einfach Dinge die man selbst kennt, da ist auch ok wie ich finde solange es im Rahmen bleibt. Weil sonst bräuchte nan die Phantasie nicht. Daher ja, klar hat Emi auch hier und da was von mir. Wie zb die Liebe und Leidenschaft für Ludwig und Versailles etc. Aber sie ist kein selfinsert. Wobei, ach das war oder ist auch immer sehr lustig mir dieser ja auch untestellt wird eben weil ich sie auch cosplaye XD Und ich mich damit wahe wie sie aussehen zu wollen... böse... das dass der Sinn dabei ist, da reden wir nun nicht drüber XD Anstatt mir ne Perücke zu holen wagte ich es meine eigene Haare so zu färben und zu stylen... böse böse XDDD

Ja da stimmt ich dir voll und ganz zu :) Es geht halt viel in Richtung Minstream :/ Wird wohl auch immer so sein... Ich mag deinen Stil auch sehr gerne :D Ist schön semi-realistisch :D So etwas mag ich ja eh total^^Und du bist auch sehr gut ind er natomie etc :D Wo ich ja gut und gern versage XD
Ach die Warung hier ist ein Witz, weil man dennoch nichts zeigen darf trotz Filter etc.... Aber da hab ich es schon aufgegeben mich darüber aufzuregen und mir nen Account bei Hentai Foundry gemacht XD

Solche sind mir auch am liensten :D Direkt ja oft und manchmal auch umpassend aber auch hin und wieder zurückhaltend bei bestimmten Personen^^" Ja dito, so wie bei dir ist es auch bei mir. Ich revidier meine Meinung auch wenn sie vernüftig angebracht wird ansonsten....nö XD
Und ja wie wahr, aber das wäre zu schön um wahr zu sein :/
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Veeiothas Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
BITTE WAS?! Was sind das denn für schwachsinnige Aussagen O_O man ist doch nicht einmal schwul und dann aufeinmal nicht mehr... häh?! ... ... ...OMFG... ... ... ... -___- das ist doch nicht ihr Ernst.
Gesehen hab ich ihn in Dragonheart (geiler Film!).

Hmmmh... ...MA und Fersen, sollen sie sich davonmachen und das bitte möglichst weit weit weit weg... ich mochte Fersen im Anime schon nicht... als kind dachte ich immer der wär die Frau von Oscar... xD

Jupp jupp... Ich finde diese Diskussionen immer richtig zuckersüß, da fehlt mir oft nur noch das Popcorn, wenn die leute anfangen: "Dein OC ist doch nur so supertoll und ne MS weil du im RL ein Looser bist blablablabla..." - ich sag ganz klar: Klar sind OC's doch so wie man selbst gern wäre in vielen Dingen. Ich liebe z. B. helle Haare weil ich selbst dunkle habe. Und? Was ist so schlimm dran? Und dass du deinen OC cosplayst - ähm hallo? Manche cosplayen hentai-figuren, schulmädchen die auf männer mit ... anderen gelüsten abzielen und bekloppte tussies in miniröckchen und monsterschleifen vor den melonen - da ists doch weitaus schöner den eigenen Charakter zu cosplayen! Versteh das echt nicht... ... ...*kopfschüttel* JEDER OC hat teile von einem selbst, richtig! das finde ich auch völlig ok. dafür hat man ja die phantasie und seine künstlerische freiheit um eben das auszuleben was man selbst nicht unbedingt ist/kann/hat - solang keine MS draus wird, find ich das völlig in ordnung! Ich finde es z. B. toll in andere Welten einzutauchen mit Chars die ich selbst gestalte - sei es in Dragonball, Gears of War oder andere "Welten". Es ist einfach mal was anderes als der schnöde alltag den man ohnehin jeden tag hat - dazu träumt man doch! ich könnte mich über sowas stundenlang aufregen... ... -___- manche leute sind einfach nur dumm und haben keinen funken für fantasie übrig.

Mainstream ist etwas was ich gar nicht mag. Ich bin zwar ein sehr romantischer/erotischer-lovestorytyp, aber alles lass ich mir auch net andrehen. Am schlimmsten finde ich diese ganzen neuen Filme im Fernsehen und diese bekloppten Telenovelas wo es ja IMMER um eine MS geht -___- buhu ... ... ...die ersten waren ja noch ok, aber jetzt wirds langsam übelst langweilig besonders nach der gefühlten 3000.staffel GZSZ schaltet man den kasten dann lieber mal aus...
Das mit der Anatomie war auch nicht immer so xD meine Charaktere sahen mal ...SEHR deformiert aus. Aber das entwickelt sich :) ich finde deine Zeichnungen schon sehr sehr gut! :) Worauf ich sehr viel wert lege ist die "Bildbeziehung" von mann und frau. Wenn das für mich nicht innig und zusammengehörig aussieht, mag ich die bilder meist nicht. daher gefallen mir Bilder mit OC's + Öffentl. charakter oder OC + OC sehr gut weil meistens viel mehr herzblut drin steckt als in "standart" paaren. man merkt einfach dass der zeichner eine beziehung zu den charakteren hat und sich mehr dabei denkt bei seinen bildern :D Etwas kompliziert zu erklären... xD
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012
Yapp welcome to JKs "Argumenten" :/ Ob das allerdings nun eine zuverlässige Quelle ist möchte ich nicht sagen, aber es ging halt rum :/ Und leider ist vieles von dem Schwachsinn ihr Ernst...-.-
Jaaa man hab ich bei dem Film geheult ^^" Sir Sean Connery's Stimme ist im EN so toll *-*

Ja wäre mir auch lieber gewesen... am besten schon 1775 auf dem Ball in Paris, aber neeein, wir wissen ja wie es endete >.< Man wie sehr wünschte ich mir das Ludwig jemanden aus der Familie seiner Mutter geheiratet hätte. Seine Mama wollte ihn nämlich mit einer Cousine zusammen bringen, einer richtigen Deutschen :D, da sie wusste das er ein sanftes und gutes Herz braucht das auf ihn eingeht und zudem war sie strikt dagegen das ihr Sohn eine Österreicherin heiratet, obwohl ihre eigene Mutter aus dem Hause Habsburg abstammte. Sie schaffte es bei Ludwig XV. zu erreichen die Hochzeitspläne die die Mme. de Pompadour schmiedete um ungef.3 Jahre aufzuschieben. Sie wusste was es hieß Pflichtbewusst zu sein und seiner Familie treu. Und das war die ihres Mannes und Frankreichs. Vorallem als noch immer führende Dauphine (Kronprinzessin). Nur leider verstarb sie viel zu früh an Tuberkolose und Kummer und Ludwigs Schicksal war besieglt.

Jaaaa XD zum teil ja. Ich weiß auch nicht warum man sich selbst dabei bekriegen muss... :roll: Weil wenn einem der OC nicht gefällt... OK - NP. Ende der Diskussion. Denn auch hier gilt wieder die Regel - Don't like don't watch, gell? ;) Und gut ja ich liebe rote Haare, wie man schätzungsweise mittlerweile siejht/weiß und ja somit habe auch ich rote Haare, aber fürs cosplay war es notwendig würd ich mal sagen. Arielle hat mich da seeeehr geprägt XD
Und ja eben diese andere Welt ist es eben auch. Bei mir mit HP bzw eben wirklich uim einem Chara der nur zu leiden hatte sein Leben lang etwas gutes zu tun. Die Erwähnung das Alan zudem einfch nur ne geile Sau ist denk ich ist klar XDDD *lach* Und bei Ludwig ist es eben der Herzenswunsch der nie in Erfüllung geht... die Geschichte etwas positiver zu ändern. :/ Die Zeit wird immer als ach so schön interpretiert mit all den Kleider und Co. aber das stimmt nicht. Das Leben war nicht grade dolle und einfach und auch nicht alles schick und shiny... Aber wer bitte darf sich das Recht heraus nehmen jemanden zu verbieten zu träumen und zu phantasieren? Und mal ganz ehrlich, auch wenn wir uns einig sind das echte MS langweilig und öde sind, selbst solche sollen in gewisserweise exsistieren... warum? Nun weil es den Machern dennoch Spaß macht und sie ein Hobby haben. Es steht jedem frei zu mögen was er/sie möchte. Und grade in fiktionalen Bereichen haut man sich immer die Köpfe ein.. schlimm soetwas.

Nun ich denke jeder wird es kennen und auch mal im Mainstream gewesen sein. Ich zbn zu Beginn mit Sailor Moon und Co. Und auch 2010 mit Alice in Wonderland von Burton, ja, ok. Aber ich entscheide was mit gefällt und folge es nicht nur weil alle es tun! Und jaaaa das liebe Fernsehn.,..:roll: Ein Grund warum ich seit über 6-7 Jahren kein TV mehr schau. Mein Fernseher wird nur zum DVD genutzt und auch das sehr selten, da ich eigentlich immer am Pc bin und arbeite. Ich muss aber auch eingestehen, dass ich dafür gern online soetwas wie Bauer sucht Frau und Schwer verliebt schaue... nicht weil ich das glaube aber es ist zum bedusseln lassen ok und sind wir mal ehrlich es ist fremdschämen im großen Stil. :/^^"""
HZSZ schau ich schon seit Jahren nimmer.. die ersten Folgen waren gut.. noch mit Ingo(hieß der so? XD) Und Saskia und den Pärchen wo er starb usw, ach halt die aus den 90s. XD
Ach ja frag mich mal XD Und ja Übung macht immer den Meister ;P Ja das stimmt wohl. Und keine Sorge ich versteh was du meinst und ich bin da völlig deiner Meinung. Ich mein sicher geht das auch mit Canon charas, aber ja das Herz hängt oft mehr an den eigenen Sachen XD
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QDC-Anna Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
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UGH! Wenn ich die Kommentare hier lese, wird mir übel! Leute, was ist mit euch los? Könnt ihr nicht einfach die Meinungen von anderen akzeptieren? RedPassion hat eine ganz andere Sicht zu Lily Evans. Werdet endlich erwachsen, ehrlich...
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
Glaube mir Liebes das wäre zuviel verlangt schätze ich :/
Aber danke dir :hug:
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QDC-Anna Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
Weißt du, wenn ich das lese, tut es mir halt auch selber weh. Ich hab auch gelesen, dass Jemand Ludwig XVI. liebt, ekelhaft wäre. Wo bitteschön ist es ekelhaft?
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
Ja ich weiß... du und auch das ist leiderf nichts neues für mich...-.- Diese Art von Leuten suchen sich egal welchen Grund nur um sich über etwas aufregen zu können...>.>
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QDC-Anna Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
Wie wahr...
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
Zumal er ist tot... das ist ja auch eklig:roll:
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QDC-Anna Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
Tsk. Nur weil es was anderes ist, heißt es noch lange nicht, dass es ekelhaft ist. :/
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2012
Ja ich weiß, aber weißt du solchen Haters ist das egal... -.- Die ziehen dir aus allem nen Strick
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Poloniua Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Lol Snapefen.

So glad to see the "Just cuz I <3 Severus doesn't mean I excuse everything he's done!1!" argument is, for some fans, utter bull.

As for whatever Lily (or Harry and James, for that matter) owed Severus... it says so much that Snape would have been happy to trade the life of a baby for the woman he supposedly loved ("I...I have asked him"; Snape earned Dumbledore's disgust), and that he frequently took pleasure, even delight, in being a jerk to the kid he'd had a direct hand in orphaning. Hey, I'm in total agreement! :) There was nothing even vaguely romantic about Snape's "love" for Lily, it was twisted and ugly to the core.

Harry was a total moron in naming his son after Snape -- instead of the many other people who'd also saved his life -- and thinking Snape's obsession with Lily somehow negates not only that stuff, but also his sick behavior toward Neville. Here's another kid he'd had a hand in orphaning (there's no way Bellatrix's posse just _happened_ to settle on the other prophecy kid's parents as their best bet of finding out where Voldy vanished off to), and Snape treated him even worse than the first, as a way to blame and punish him for not being Voldy's first choice baby to kill. It's funny that Snape clearly shared your wish that Neville and not Harry was the Chosen One, if only cuz he seems to believe Lily might still be alive had Voldemort gone for Neville instead (never mind that all 3 Longbottoms would most likely be dead). But Neville is Harry's friend, a friend who's _always_ backed him in everything from the trivial (taking Harry's side whenever the school calls him nuts or an attention-hog) to the life-threatening (fighting alongside him in the last 3 books). There's no question that Harry owes Neville a lot more than he'd ever owe Snape, so knowing what he does, it's pretty gross to give a son - that Neville's going to end up teaching, no less - the name of a guy who's done so much wrong by both of them. I actually like Harry, and I still had a big 'WTF?!' moment there.

I'm definitely with you in thinking that even in heaven, Lily probably wouldn't crap on Snape if he was on fire. Thank god.
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RedPassion Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2012
Hey dear, I'm pretty sry that my replay comes that late, but I was very busy (and still be). But now I wanted to thank you for your really great comment. Its so great to see that more and more people understand and agree or share the in fact same opinion like I used to do :D :hug:

Yeah its difficult when it comes to the matter of Harry vs. Neville. :S Well for the only reason why Severus was "more nice" to Harry was just cause of his mother. But its so true Harry owes Neville more in some cases. Even Snape very often saved his stupid ass :roll:
I just like the movie version of Harry cause of Daniel... but the book version sucks sooo damn often...sadly >.>
But what you want to expect from a Potter?

And yapp absolutely! It might be a nice illusion for a lot of fans, but honestly for me def. not possible :S
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gothgirl114817 Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I totally agree with this.
I never liked Lily and whenever I read anything she said/did, I was always disappointed.
Everyone always makes her the little angel that everyone should love but she never shows any sort of compassion towards her supposed "best friend."
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